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  • Quarter Final 4

    Behold the Man and Other Stories
    Behold the Man; Constant Fire; Breakfast in the Ruins

    A Nomad of the Time Steams
    The Warlord of the Air; The Land Leviathan; The Steal Tsar[/QUOTE]
    12
    Behold the Man and Other Stories
    25.00%
    3
    A Nomad of the Time Steams
    75.00%
    9

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  • #2
    A vote for Bastable (because the BTM novella is better, Constant Fire is no fun since Mike excised the BDSM and BITR is just so fecking depressing ).
    _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
    _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
    _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
    _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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    • #3
      That's the tough one. The Bastable books are stronger as a group, I think, even though BTM might be better on it's own.

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      • #4
        Bastable gets my vote even though Behold the Man is classic Moorcock.
        "I hate to advocate drugs,alcohol,violence or insanity to anyone,but they've always worked for me"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by thingfish View Post
          Bastable gets my vote even though Behold the Man is classic Moorcock.
          Looks like we agreed on all things Moorcock, TF.
          Papa was a Rolling Stone......

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          • #6
            Originally posted by David Mosley View Post
            A vote for Bastable (because the BTM novella is better, Constant Fire is no fun since Mike excised the BDSM and BITR is just so fecking depressing ).
            Inclined to agree with you there. The quarter finals are shaping up interestingly so far...
            'You know, I can't keep up with you. If I hadn't met you in person, I quite honestly would NOT believe you really existed. I just COULDN'T. You do so MUCH... if half of what goes into your zines is to be believed, you've read more at the age of 17 than I have at the age of 32 - LOTS more'

            Archie Mercer to Mike (Burroughsania letters page, 1957)

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            • #7
              Bastable, easily. A patched together omnibus just can't compete.
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              • #8
                I only really enjoyed the first Nomad novel and indeed I don't rank the third at all, but I love Behold the Man, but also Breakfast in the Ruins (a much underrated novel imo). Don't know if I've read Constant Fire or not... doesn't ring any bells... what's it about? Anyway, BtM gets my vote for what its worth...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The English Assassin View Post
                  Don't know if I've read Constant Fire or not... doesn't ring any bells... what's it about?
                  You might know Constant Fire better under the title The Transformation of Miss Mavis Ming, or possible A Messiah at the End of Time (as it was called in the USA). It's a sort of sequel to The Winds of Limbo (The Fireclown) and occasionally - but erroneously - called 'The Return of the Fireclown'.

                  It could (in part) be considered an early forerunner of the Fifty Shades of Grey phenomenon but Mike removed the BDSM ending for a more 'consensual' climax when he revised the novel (and returned to the original novella title) for the Orion omnibus series.

                  Constant Fire should have appeared in the Legends from the End of Time omnibus but a technical cock-up with the UK hardcover and trade paperback editions meant (except for the revised final chapter) it was omitted.
                  _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                  _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                  _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                  _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                  • #10
                    Well, in that case I have read it (under the Mavis Ming title), although I have to say that it didn't leave a massive impression on me... In fact, none. Certainly it doesn't seem in place with the other two novels in this collection... Out of interest, is the version in this collection the original or is it also revised?

                    David, you have to go on Mastermind with Moorcock as your specialist subject!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The English Assassin View Post
                      Well, in that case I have read it (under the Mavis Ming title), although I have to say that it didn't leave a massive impression on me... In fact, none.
                      Well, it certainly left an impression on Miss Ming - in the original version at least!

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                      Originally posted by The English Assassin View Post
                      Certainly it doesn't seem in place with the other two novels in this collection...
                      CF is indeed out of place in the Behold the Man and Other Stories omnibus because it was only included for contractual reasons after Orion screwed up the LftEoT omnibus. It wouldn't have mattered as much if Orion had run it after BTM and BITR but instead they slipped it in between the two Karls (oo-er missus!) for no clearly obvious reason.

                      Originally posted by The English Assassin View Post
                      Out of interest, is the version in this collection the original or is it also revised?
                      The version in the BTM&OS omnibus is the revised version; it was included as intended in the mass market paperback edition of LftEoT as well as the hardcover White Wolf edition (which itself never appeared in trade pbk format due to financial reasons (aiui)). The original 'Constant Fire' novella was originally published in New Worlds Nine before being expanded for publication as TTOMMM.

                      Originally posted by The English Assassin View Post
                      David, you have to go on Mastermind with Moorcock as your specialist subject!
                      _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                      _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                      _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                      _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                      • #12
                        An easy win for Bastable for me here: the "...other stories" just didn't give Karl enough support.

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