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What kind of visual adaptation would you like to see of Elric?

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  • Conrad
    Denizen of Moo Uria
    • Mar 2012
    • 188

    What kind of visual adaptation would you like to see of Elric?

    I've just joined and am throughly enjoying myself exploring this world everyone's created. Great fun for sure.
    On many of the older threads there has been discussion on which way is best to adapt the Elric saga into a visual medium with no clear answer. Or at least not one that I could find. So I am offering this poll to get an idea of what everyone would like.
    Thanks for taking the time to read this. Have a great week.
    Sincerely,
    Conrad
    104
    Live-Action movie (Hollywood, LOTR style)
    74.04%
    77
    CGI (Beowolf, Game intro style)
    6.73%
    7
    Animation: Japanese style
    11.54%
    12
    Animation: American style
    2.88%
    3
    Graphic novel: American/European style
    5.77%
    6
    Graphic novel: Japanese style
    0%
    0
  • dasNdanger
    Duchess Headesplode
    • May 2009
    • 1667

    #2
    I'm going to give this some thought. I would really love live action, but I am very much afraid that the actor who brings Elric to life won't live up to my expectations. Also, unless you get a good director who really loves and understands the character AND Mike's work, the whole thing could be just a load of crap.

    In some ways I'd trust an animated or CGI version more, but again, it all depends on the art and the style. Elric is naturally suited for anime, but I would prefer to see it in the American style for the detail and realism. Just very hard to decide. I'll wait for others to chime in before I make a final decision.


    das

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    • Pietro_Mercurios
      Eternal Champion
      • Oct 2004
      • 5746

      #3
      It would have to be live action for me. Any other medium would risk relegating it to kids stuff in the minds of many critics and potential customers.

      A mix of live action and CGI might be credible if done properly but the ratio of one to the other would have to favour live action for me.

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      • Rothgo
        Champion of the Unbalanced
        • Aug 2006
        • 6629

        #4
        We've already had several graphic novel Elrics, so I'll put them to one side.
        For me: live action or possibly rotoscope.

        On an aside, I'm going to move this poll to the polls forum: if I do that, it gets linked onto the front page of the site! (I've also removed the end-date which was soon upon us).

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        • Conrad
          Denizen of Moo Uria
          • Mar 2012
          • 188

          #5
          Rothgo,

          Thanks for putting this where it should be. I'm still getting used to where everything is and where things should be posted.

          Also thanks for removing the date.

          Both actions are greatly appreciated.


          Also thanks to porcus_volansdas and Rothgo for answering the poll.
          Eagerly awaiting your decision dasNdanger.

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          • The English Assassin
            Champion of the Balance
            • Feb 2007
            • 1673

            #6
            If there has to be one, animation: East European style, either hand drawn or stop motion. Let's make this thing beautiful and unique... build it and they will come... and if they don't, then fuck um!

            I could go for a bit of rotoscope too. TBH I can't imagine a live-action or either of the animation styles you mention being anything but a total disaster... And please, please, please - no 3D! But TBH I with the current spate of fantasy failures at the box-office I'll eat my hat if this actually happens any time in the next decade. If it was going to then surely on the heels of the LotRs would have been the time.
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            • Mespheber
              Guardian of the Grail
              • Jun 2006
              • 411

              #7
              Nothing like real action movie, but I've always pictured Elric taking place in an iron age or antiquity technology level. I also believe that most of special effects should be suggested instead of being shown. After all, Elric is most of the times on drugs when he performs magic so how can we be so sure it really happens? Visually Ken Russell's Altered States could be an inspiration on this matter.
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              • opaloka
                digital serf 41221z/74
                • Jun 2006
                • 3746

                #8
                Certainly live action for a film. Otherwise risk looking like a video game. A series on the other hand could be a very well done animation. Live action fantasy series usually look pretty bad nowadays and lend themsleves to bubbly stuff like 'Robin Hood'.

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                • Pietro_Mercurios
                  Eternal Champion
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 5746

                  #9
                  A good quality animé series, could be fun.

                  Somewhere along the lines of, Vampire Hunter D, perhaps?

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                  • Conrad
                    Denizen of Moo Uria
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 188

                    #10
                    English Assassin,

                    As I am not familiar with Eastern European animation, could you give me the name of a specific title you were thinking of?

                    Also, an updated thanks to all those who took the time to respond to this thread.

                    Have a wonderful week.

                    Sincerely,
                    Conrad

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                    • The English Assassin
                      Champion of the Balance
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 1673

                      #11
                      Hi Conrad,

                      I wouldn't say that I have a particular film in mind for the look of Elric, rather that I think the genre as a whole might offer a more interesting way of approaching an audio-visual Elric adaptation, instead of yet another CG/live-action noise-fest... But possibly toned down somewhat for added commercialism... I'm not, I may add, by an means an expert on this stuff. I just know it when i see it.

                      By East European animation I'm predominately considering the stuff that used to be shown on 4mation on Channel Four in the UK. not all was East European BTW, but for me most of the stuff that stuck with me was...

                      Svankmajer is probably the most famous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjlO_...eature=related - his latter stuff is a mix of live action and stop motion. His style is a required taste and I think it's fair to say that he doesn't strive for perfection.

                      Some Czech stuff that's quite different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3pXE7BnYOc

                      There's lots of this stuff out there, but as I said, I'm not pretending to be an expert...

                      But I don't really mean it has to be East European, just maybe a non-typical filmic style might be nice. Again, I'm not suggesting that this is a look for Elric that I'd necessarily think is appropriate, but isn't it better than John Carter?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNF6z...eature=related

                      While I'm no Tim Burton fan, I wouldn't object to a Corpses Bride style animation, although keep him well away from any live action stuff, please.

                      Apologies for the lack of embedded vids, but whenever I try to do it i end up throwing my laptop across the room...
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                      • dasNdanger
                        Duchess Headesplode
                        • May 2009
                        • 1667

                        #12
                        Okay, I've given this a lot of thought, and I am going with Japanese animation.

                        Here's why:

                        1. Graphic novels have already been done. Although I wouldn't mind a regular Elric comic of new stories (like The Balance Lost), I think the original has already been handled well in this format.

                        2. After giving it some thought, American animation may look too childish.

                        3, CGI. I have major problems with CGI. I can see the 'fake', and find it very distracting. I wouldn't be opposed to a good CGI movie, but there's just no guarantee on the good part.

                        4. Ideally, I would love a live action movie. But several things hold me up on this. Firstly, finding the right actor. Let's face it - we LOVE Elric. And we probably know this guy better than we know ourselves. The wrong guy in Elric's skin could ruin the whole experience. (I base this on my inability to warm to Christian Bale's Batman, making the movies very disappointing to me.) Also, live action fantasy can backfire. Sure, LOTR hit a home run, but there's no guarantee that the same will happen to and Elric movie. Too many variables - actor, director, special effects, editing...even producers. Too many things to go wrong.

                        5. So for now I'm going with an Anime film. To get it out of the way, here's the main weak point, first - cheesiness. Granted, some anime can be cheesy, silly, amateurish. Now, this could actually work in favor of the pulp flavor of the story. But only in extremely small doses. Also, voiceovers would be critical here, and anime voiceovers tend to be on the weaker side (adding to the 'cheesy' feel of some series/movies).

                        Here are the strong points:

                        1. Anime can do 'dark'.
                        2. Anime does angst very well, and if nothing else, Elric must be angsty.
                        3. Anime can create the perfect Elric look. If there's one thing Japanese animators do well, it's 'pretty', and Elric has always come across to me as more beautiful than handsome. I have no doubt that an anime Elric will be beautiful, angsty, and vicious.
                        4. Yes, vicious. As I said before, Anime can be dark. It can also be brutal. The fight scenes would not disappoint action lovers, that's for sure.
                        5. Anime tends to have a specific audience - a young one. A good way to get the younger generations interested in Elric is to present them with a killer Elric flick. Once the fire is lit, it could spark renewed interest in a live action movie, and with that interest hopefully a bigger bankroll, too, one that would insure the right actors and creators get attached to the film.

                        Here's an example of what anime can do - not just the quality of the fight, but the emotional build (which is lacking in so many live action action films lately):

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryoNr_qhyI


                        So, I think Japanese anime first, as a stepping stone to a live action flick.


                        das

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                        • Timberwolf
                          The White Wolf
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 271

                          #13
                          After giving this a hell of a lot of thought I have to say CGI ... which would be a distant second place if live action could be done under Mikes full control (casting and full editors rights on story and final print), but as that's unlikely to happen I would have to stick with the CGI.
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                          • Megaptera
                            Funny-looking little sidekick
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 19

                            #14
                            I voted for anime, but any form of animation would do, for me. Japanese animators have proven themselves in their ability to handle serious adult material and make it beautiful, and there are American and European studios that can do it too.

                            When you're dealing with casting real people as characters, corners can be cut. It's especially obvious with female characters -- an actress who has sex appeal will win the role over one who can act and who actually looks like the way a character is described. (See the recent kerfuffle over The Hunger Games, where fans actually complained about the fact that the actress actually matched the description of the character...)

                            Can you imagine trying to find an actress who looks like Yishana, and the temptation to just hire one who is younger and more conventionally beautiful? You could give some unknown actress previously confined to supporting roles a break, or you could get a Hollywood hottie guaranteed to drive ticket sales. Guess which one will get the job.

                            Animation means artistic freedom because you can design characters from scratch and reference.

                            I'll amend my 'any form of animation' vote to exclude CGI, because the art form just hasn't evolved enough yet artistically. It's technically done well but it still has very little soul to it.

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                            • periklis
                              Moonbeam Traveller
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 5

                              #15
                              Voted GN

                              Which is what has been done in the past (Druillet's European BD format, and the US series Michael Moorcock personally wrote), the present (the BOOM series written by Chris Robertson), and the future (the announced collected Elric adptations in HC).

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