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  • geemarcus
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    Originally posted by Nizam
    My vote goes to Joaquin Phoenix to play Yyrkoon and maybe Brian Sewell a close second.
    I agree, both of them work for me as Yyrkoon. I have no idea who could play Elric, which leads me to hope for an unknown. If it HAS to be a star, I agree with the folks who think Brad Pitt could pull it off. He's very talented and usually makes good choices about the parts he plays. Another thought: Gary Oldman can do anything.

    Re: Animated. I'd LOVE to see it, but after seeing LOTR, I really want to see Elric in live action. In my mind, the world he exists in is more fantastical than Middle Earth, which would on one hand lend itself very well to animation. On the other, getting that fantastical look through design and effects in "real life" would be extremely cool! Then again, maybe that fantastical feeling is just me... It may come from having read all the Eternal Champion comics when I was a kid. Any chance of getting P. Craig Russell to do conceptual design? The Dreaming City graphic novel had a huge impact on me.

    And while I agree that adult animation can be successful, I doubt it can be successful on the level that I'm sure the studio is looking for. People are continually being sold the idea that "cartoons are for kids", making the only real blockbusters stuff like Shrek and Pixar stuff...

    BTW, is it really true that Final Fantasy made money? It cost a ton to make and totally flopped at the BO, although I wouldn't be suprised if DVD sales put it in the green.

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  • krunky
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    As I see it...

    (cross-posted from the forum, did I post to the wrong place originally?)

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    This newbie is very interested in this topic.

    I too wish I were in on the decision making process for this movie, but I'm not. What follows then is a freely offered "wish-list" for Mr. M to use or ignore as he see fit. I agree that it's a pity that Elric is going to be a big studio production, at turns that may well prove to be a good and a bad thing. The good may well mean the budget to do the effects correctly -- with much attention to detail. The bad may well mean actors unworthy of their parts and some horrific music choices for the soundtrack. No matter what, it will probably be impossible to please all of us hardcore fans all at once with some of the choices that will have to be made in bringing this story to the screen. Just let out one big "Ugh!" now and get it over with...and don't forget that nothing changes the excellence of the novels. If a celluloid monster is unleashed and everyone hates it; the books will still be sitting there on your shelves, reassuringly, just as before.

    Much earlier in this thread, Paul said:
    "But if I know one thing, it's that Mike has never let his intellectual property be butchered in the past, and I doubt he's apart {edit; about?} to start now so I'm looking forward to it myself."

    Well, just keep in mind that the Jerry Cornelius film adaptation was very hit-and-miss. The first Elric film cannot afford that level of unevenness -- it must hit and hit strongly for sequels to get made. If the first film tanks, that's it. Sayonara...


    On actor choices...
    Unknown talent will be a plus here. They'll work cheaply and you then have money for effects done properly.

    Mr. M mentioned: Paul Bethany for Elric.
    Not a bad choice -- he could totally work in this role. He wouldn't obviously suck, but he's not spot on either. But what about Craig Parker who played Haldir in LOTR? (http://jmsstyxnyes.tripod.com/lotr/haldir/hal15.jpg) I thought the guy had a really amazing screen presence -- you absolutely wanted to know more about this ill-fated elf. On the plus side is his current near anonymity to a mass audience -- and you do really want Elric to be a near unknown so that the audience can just sink into the character and never think something like "Oh, look -- it's that Knight's Tale guy!" The tiny part in LOTR will just enhance his attractiveness in the role of Elric -- the role of an elf dovetails nicely with that of our anti-hero.

    Shaeve mentioned: "Joaquin Pheonix."
    I see him as a possibility for Yyrkoon. No problems there. He'd be a brilliant choice -- in fact, I think I recommend peppering known actors in the film, everywhere but in the starring role. The role is also small enough not to detract from that of the lead character. Crusader_of_Melnibone mentioned: "Rufus Sewell." And I see him as another excellent choice for Yyrkoon, or possibly Arioch.

    Cymoril -- I'm seeing Claire Forlani. There's definitely something unearthly and elfin there. Am I wrong?

    Moonglum -- no one really leaps out at me on this one, perhaps an unknown here as well. Johnny Depp might be nice as a swarthy Moonglum, but I bet his price is out of the question. He might be too hammy now too. I'll have to think more on this one...

    Dyvim Tvar -- seems crazy maybe, but how about Jأ¼rgen Prochnow? The guy looks like he has been blasted by Dragon fire a few times already. Is he too old for Elric's friend and mentor? If so, how about Everett McGill?

    Tanglebones -- I shit you not, David Bowie. I'm laying money that he loves these stories too...but who knows. Patrick Stewart? That guy could make any role seem spectacular.

    Dr. Jest -- How about Jeremy Irons? Like most classical trained British actors, he's amazing at the job and will work on any project provided the money is right -- and I suspect that his price is not actually that high. This guy could have been Elric if he were a bit younger: (http://www.spietati.it/archivio/imag...e-machine2.jpg)

    Zarozinia -- for a first movie this is totaly jumping the gun, but how about Thora Birch. It's been years since I read the series, but I seem to recall an age difference that should be at least minorly startling. Depending on the age of the lead that plays Elric, Birch will not seem so young after all.

    Lastly, Vin Diesel? Well, maybe he can voice-over for the Black Sword, eh? The Iron Giant meets Stormbringer!


    On musical/soundscape choices...
    I want to be the first to utter the heresy that there should be absolutely NO Hawkwind or M.M. music in these movies. If you don't understand it, then so be it. That kind of soundtrack means commercial death on this one, you'll just have to trust me on that point.

    If anything, the music should have a more "period" feel to it, and generally avoid anything terribly modern sounding. If it must be modern sounding here and there, let it be something ethereal along the lines of Howard Shore's soundtrack for "Crash." If it must be guitars, let it be something so noisy that it disappears into a wall of noise -- say something like Kevin Shields of "My Bloody Valentine." BTW, I well realize that the "period" in question doesn't exist, it's a fantasy time and place -- but I think you know what I mean. Now, I don't intend to go all Celtic on you people either -- that's been done, and done to death. Although maybe a group like "Faith and the Muse" might be a good choice for when the credits are rolling. Something a little upbeat for emptying the theater and to satisfy audience expectation, even if only at the end when it doesn't matter any longer.

    You know what would be good here? Stuff like Dead Can Dance or Diamanda Galas. Not so much the vocal work (sorry Lisa, Diamanda!), but the background music. Consider a Brendan Perry score (again, no vocals), and stuff like that music playing in the back of Diamanda Galas' "Law of the Plague." Think of a Melnibonean choral! Right, that doesn't sound like Tears for Fears, or freaking Enya for that matter, now does it...?

    I've given a lot of thought to the sound of Stormbringer. It should be as if thousands of demons were speaking all at once, breaking through from another dimension. As if the space all around you were full of voices. My only possible model for this is the beginning segment of Throbbing Gristle's "Discipline" (live Manchester). Now, mind you -- that's not the voice of Stormbringer, but the background score. In terms of dramatic irony, the audience must be absolutely convinced that to bargain with this sword is to bargain with the worst of all possible devils -- and that even if our protagonist Elric fails to see the problem for what it is himself. The first shot is always the easiest...

    Notes on the mis-en-scene more generally...
    Book and chapter titles should absolutely be used somehow. Perhaps some clever methods of including titles into dialogue could be employed: "While the Gods Laugh" said Elric, smiling to himself. The lyric quality of the works must not be lost!

    Visually, I have a preference for the James Cawthorn Dragon helmet -- a thing of real beauty it is. For armor one could also not truly improve on the design of Yoshitaka Amano (http://www.artfx-kotobukiya.com/item/jpg/erlicall.jpg). Amano wouldn't be too bad for a costume designer either, but I don't know if he has the needed skill to go from designs in 2D to real world materials.

    Maybe Melnibonean dragons could also wear extensive leather armor, and seem almost machine-like. I did like the worm-headed dragons in LOTR.

    I disagree in part with Yolanda about the nudity and sex. I think there should be lots of character-driven nudity and sex where it makes sense -- I'd love to see real sex-magik type chaos magik in the film. I'd also like to see sequences where sex is a misused power, as in sex with a bad magikal outcome. That's just not expected and would be extremely refreshing dramatically.

    The minute the studio tries to tone this thing down to LOTR level, it might as well have been some fucking Disney cartoon. Elric's world of chaos and nasty consequences must needs be R, or possibly even NC-17. Seriously. And therein lies it's doom...

    Okay....


    That was fun!

    - Krunky

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  • Nizam
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    My vote goes to Joaquin Phoenix to play Yyrkoon and maybe Brian Sewell a close second.

    I'm hoping that the first film is Elric of Melnibone only - surely that is enough of a story there for one film. It establishes his character and introduces the significance of Stormbringer in the best way. I was hoping the second film would a combination of the destruction of Melniborne and his meeting with Zarzonia....

    Hell - I'm thinking where did this idea come from that it must be a trilogy. Mr M can't you persuade them to make it five parts. Three films would seriously cut down the amount of material you could use. And has anyone suggested you to turn it into an adult animation movie. It's cheaper and you can create better effects. They made money on Final Fantasy which had zero plot. Surely they could make money on an animation with plot and room for a whole load of razz-a-matazz.

    With great animations such as Shrek and Spirited Away proving you can make money surely this is a marketable idea...

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Joaquin Phoenix, I think, has a good Yyrkoon look.

    Is Yyrkoon about the same age as Elric?

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  • Whiskers
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    McDowell would make a good Dyvim or Tanglebones.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Isn't McDowell an old man now?
    I'm not prone to agism, but I don't recall
    Moonglum being described with gray hair
    and wrinkled face...

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  • Tales from Tanelorn
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    Malcom Mcdowell

    I thought Malcom Mcdowell could play one of the parts in the Elric movie, maybe even Moonglum? He seems to be able to portray an interesting blend of good and bad in his characters.

    Other than that my preference would be for complete unknows. I think I would probably have a problem if I recognised someone from Eastenders or similar!

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    Originally posted by byaself
    Rufus Sewell could be a great Elric as well as Jack Ryder, Paul Bettany, and if they need an A - List actor for the part (that meaning only box office draw) Jude Law could certainly have the Elric look.

    What's nice about these actors, they possess plenty of charisma to portray the 'womanizing Elric' as well as the fact that they are not type cast as pretty boy faces.

    I have a suggestion for Yrkoon... Jason Done. He was Mordred in the movie Merlin. He portrayed a 'villian' quite well.

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  • son_of_arioch
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    Hello Mike

    Glad to see you approved of my choice of paul bettany as elric.. I saw him first in a fil ganster no.1...and he has all the broading qualities for the role of the white wolf.

    I hope you credit me with the choice and await cheque in the post!!...ha,ha

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  • byaself
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    Rufus Sewell could be a great Elric as well as Jack Ryder, Paul Bettany, and if they need an A - List actor for the part (that meaning only box office draw) Jude Law could certainly have the Elric look.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    I don't think there should be three different actors; I was thinking more of a changeover between the first two films. I think we should see Elric in a state of constant character evolution:

    First film: Younger actor, reflecting on Elric's comparitive innocence and philosophical soul at this point in life.

    Second film: Older actor, to reflect the change in Elric since the he accepted the Black Sword's evil. In his actions he'd be utterly reckless and be covered in scars to reflect his recent disregard for his own life.

    Third film: Same actor as film two, much calmer attitude, reflective of Zarozinia's influence, cold charisma at all time high.

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  • Crusader_of_Melnibone
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    Once again I agree with you Sparhawk...! I believe the stories should be put in a chronological order, as Elric travels around the world. But I definitely believe that the "While The Gods Laugh" story should be added in the script. It uncovers many universal mysteries but in the end we find ourselves having more questions needing answers...Shaarilla is a great character, one of my favourites, and in general it's one of the most tragic and dramatic stories in the whole saga.

    As for the actor, I believe he shouldn't be a different one from one movie to another. Coz doing that, we will lose whatever connection created between us and Elric from the first movie and we'll have to get used to his 'new face & look' all over again. And to tell you the truth I believe it would be better the whole movie trilogy plot to take place in a few years time so we won't have to see Elric young, Elric middle-aged and then who knows how the original version will be twisted?

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    I suppose for the first film Elric will be significantly younger than in the second film; perhaps Mr. Moorcock's recommendation for Jack Ryder (though I have yet to warm to the idea after Eastenders, though I understand he played Titus in a BBC adaption of Mervyn Peake's Titus Alone).

    For the remaining two I would love to see Sewell. In Charles II he got a variety of scenes that reminded me of Elric; some slightly tripped out scenes of kingly pleasures, womanising, fencing, verbal sparring and he had the role of a powerful leader.

    He has the physique, lean and tall yet subtly muscled, and his cheeks have a rather sunken look to them. He looked the part.

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    I've had some thoughts concerning the scape of the proposed trilogy and thought this might be a good way of going about it:

    Film One: Merging of Elric of Melnibonأ© and The Dreaming City; Elric's year long sojurn in the Kingdoms could be forced, occuring right after Yyrkoon's betrayal on The Son of Pyaray, allowing elements from the other books of that time period to be incorporated.

    Film Two: A veritable mish-mash of elements from all the books strung together to form a new story. Some ideas:
    Gaynor- Main villain
    Theleb Kaarna- Suboardinate
    Zarozinia- A medley of some of the more interesting Elric girls; Kings in Darkness as opener?
    Elric-Yishana-Zarozinia triangle?

    Film Three: Stormbringer.

    What do you all think?

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  • AriochRIP
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    Rusell Sewell

    I liked Sewell in Dark City and in A Knight's Tale, but I must say I could see him more as Yrkoon than Elric.

    I'm kind of surprised that most are suggesting relatively older actors. Am I the only one who pictures Elric as being in his 20s for the first film?

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  • Crusader_of_Melnibone
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    Thanx Sparhawk for agreeing with me in this! Many people disliked Sewell in Dark City because he was not so 'charming' let's say, or cos of his distant look. But Elric is somehow like that! An anti-hero is needed, that gives us a feeling he hides within him more than he shows. And Sewell is a good recommendation.

    Jerico, indeed, Excalibur is a good reference. Combined with Braveheart's sorrow, LOTR's grandeur, Dark City's despair, Gladiator's well directed scenes and you got a good flavor of an Elric movie!

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