Templars and the Vatican may kiss and make up!

[Governor of Rowe Island]

Have a look at this link I came across

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...379629,00.html

Whatever will the conspiracy theorists make of this? There must be enough in this story to keep them going for years.

Incidentally, it has an interesting aside on the origins of the Friday 13th superstitions. Anyone know how accurate that is?

[Mikey_C]

When I lived in Bournemouth, our next door neighbour (who hated us) had a friend who claimed to be a psychic. I was hanging my washing out on the line one morning and this woman rushed out of the house and informed me that I was the reincarnation of a Knights Templar. She had suddenly experienced a vision of me being slain in the Holy Land. Our neighbour was wringing her hands anxiously in the background, but being a cosmic kind of guy and occasional practiser of Buddhist meditation, I took it in my stride.

The problem is that a Knight Templar must be about the second most popular past incarnation after an Ancient Egyptian Priestess of Isis. So if there's any compensation up for grabs from the Vatican, it will have to be divided up a lot. Who says this mob from Hertford are the real McCoy? The Knights Templar were accused of practising sodomy and worshipping a severed head called Baphomet. What we know for sure is that they laid down the foundations of modern banking and probably got too wealthy for their own good. So why am I generally skint? Is this the law of karma in operation?

[L'Etranger]

Allow me to add one bit of info: in many parts of Latin America it is martes 13 - Tuesday 13th that is supposed to be an unlucky day. Friday 13 doesn't seem much of a worry there.

[mordenkainen]

in many parts of Latin America it is martes 13 - Tuesday 13th that is supposed to be an unlucky day

And so it is in spain, for that matter. It's not the first time i see friday october 13th 1307 as the origin of the superstition. sounds plausible.
The irony in the idea of the Vatican apologizing about this, is clement 5 never was in Vatican. I don't know that he ever was in rome, at least not as the pope. besides, it is commonly assumed that he only let philip 4 do whatever he liked, out of sheer impotence.

[silverhand]

in many parts of Latin America it is martes 13 - Tuesday 13th that is supposed to be an unlucky day

And so it is in spain, for that matter. It's not the first time i see friday october 13th 1307 as the origin of the superstition. sounds plausible.
The irony in the idea of the Vatican apologizing about this, is clement 5 never was in Vatican. I don't know that he ever was in rome, at least not as the pope. besides, it is commonly assumed that he only let philip 4 do whatever he liked, out of sheer impotence.

I believe Clement 5th was based in Avignon & therefore at the mercy of Philip who was decidedly skint.

[mordenkainen]

I believe Clement 5th was based in Avignon & therefore at the mercy of Philip who was decidedly skint.

absolutely. :D

[Poetgrrl]

in the article, someone suggested the church should stop apologizing. i completely disagree! why should the church not continue to apologize for the rotten things it's done in God's name? why is admitting it's not perfect, it made a mistake, and sorry for its wrongdoings not a good idea? silly me, i know why--apologizing would demonstrate FALLABILITY. then it's back to court for more pain and suffering lawsuits. :roll:

finally: i thought the number thirteen and its association with bad luck is that 13 were at the last supper: Jesus and his twelve apostles = 13. when Judas left it made a nice 12. correct me if i'm wrong here, please.

[mordenkainen]

i think thats right, poetgrrl. and friday (not saturday) is originally sabbath day, no?
thought of it just after i said the theory of friday the 13th superstitions originating in the templar's story was plausible... :oops: ...m'afraid i type faster than i think!