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  • #46
    Originally posted by Kitsune
    I was just being funny.
    See my opening disclaimer about virtue, etc. I figured that was the
    case -- either that, or you were possessed by a fox kami.

    Concerning foxes and your chosen screen name, I suspect you're
    aware that in traditional Japanese folklore, they're not precisely
    charged with approval. There's a reflection of this in Akira Kurosawa's
    famous transposition of King Lear -- you know the movie;
    it's called Ran.

    There's another whiff of opprobrium attached to fox kami in the
    long popular Japanese novel Musashi, by Eiji Yoshikawa; it's
    sort of the Japanese equivalent of Gone with the Wind in literary
    terms, but it's an entertaining book if for no other reason than the
    insight it provides into Japanese popular icons.

    LSN

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    • #47
      I might also suggest "Sandman: The Dreamhunters" by Neai Gaiman, it's and excelent story involving a kitsune. I'm also fairly well read on tanuki and tengu.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by L_Stearns_Newburg
        I picked up some tricks years ago from watching Bill Wallace that work well in this situation. Wallace threw snap kicks (speed! speed!) with his front leg. He threw side kick, roundhouse kick, and hook kick (we'd call it hoorio chagi) with the same motion. If he threw a side kick and the opponent tried to step behind him, he contiinued it as a hook kick; if they stepped to the other side, he turned it into a roundhouse kick.

        This works. The trick is to be "flexible" in one's approach. If you throw
        the side kick at the knee and they skip to the side to counter, you still
        take out the knee with a circular kick. Circular kicks are harder to dodge,
        as you know.

        You've probably worked out some of the principles of doing this already,
        but they can be extended to self-defense, too. ;)
        Yes, absolutely. WHKD, as I mentioned, utilizes a lot of knee and elbow strikes. When in close and using your knees, you might find your opponent is able, from time to time, to back away from you, out of the range of the knee strike. That's when it immediately becomes a snap kick or circular kick. The opponent is often surprised to feel a blow, having been so certain they escaped that knee! Of course, seamlessly following up with a stomp on the foot also tends to ilicit looks of shock. :twisted:

        Originally posted by L_Stearns_Newburg
        THe stuff you're studying now complements
        TKD nicely.
        Tell me about it! That's why I'm so glad I started with TKD. The focus on perfect kicking is, I think, a great boon to any martial artist. Many martial arts have kicking unavoidably incorporated into them, but few concentrate on perfecting it the way TKD does.

        Originally posted by L_Stearns_Newburg
        If you ever get a chance to take up Aikido or jiu jitsu (or Hapkido), you might find it interesting.
        I'm very interested in both Jiu Jitsu and Aikido. The 'dynamic sphere' concept of Aikido is endlessly fascinating and Jiu Jitsu, well, that's just how you win a street fight right there, plain and simple. When a little dude like Hoyce Gracie can make a behemoth like Ken Shamrock whimper and tap out, you know something's working like it should. Jiu Jitsu seems devastating.

        You know, according to Bruce Lee's wife, Linda, it was Jiu Jitsu Bruce used to win his famous, definitive battle to secure his right to teach Kung Fu to whomever he chose. She said something to the effect of, The fight was basically Bruce chasing the other guy around the room until he caught him took him down to the floor, and choked him out until he gave up.

        So, LSN, do you work with many weapons? I have been training in Escrima, which is a surprisingly versatile fighting style (as Magellan found out first hand).

        Of course, WHKD, being a form of Kung Fu, incorprates weapons of all kinds, though I have yet to move into that area.
        "Wounds are all I'm made of. Did I hear you say that this is victory?"
        --Michael Moorcock, Veteran of the Psychic Wars

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        • #49
          Originally posted by PsychicWarVeteran
          So, LSN, do you work with many weapons?
          Not a large number, no. Just bo (long staff), nunchaku, and Japanese short and
          long sword. You can't teach what you don't know, so I restrict myself to what
          I know how to use.

          In addition to working with the wooden practice sword (bokken) and a live
          sword (daito) for tameshigiri and kata, there's a company called Samurai Sports
          that produces a nice flexible "sparring" sword, called a "choken." I incorporated
          sparring with this into some of the routines, and the kids (and some adults)
          really like it.

          I have been training in Escrima, which is a surprisingly versatile fighting style (as Magellan found out first hand).
          I've handled the sticks, and can use them in a half-assed fashion, rather as if
          I'm using an undersized hanbo. My daughter studied Escrima (or Arnis de Mano,
          as it's also called) at another school. It is indeed effective. She once used it
          when another kid got mad at her and tried to hit her with an aluminum baseball
          bat: there was a pair of garden stakes lying nearby, she grabbed them, blocked
          the baseball bat a couple of times and delivered a strike to the aggressor's
          temple. He ran off crying -- not precisely a "manly" display. It was difficult
          explaining to his parents how he'd been hurt when he was the aggressor. ;)

          Of course, WHKD, being a form of Kung Fu, incorprates weapons of all kinds, though I have yet to move into that area.
          It takes a long time to master, too. One of my students trained in the long staff
          in a Chinese style. (She's ethnic Chinese, so it was an "asian pride" sort of thing.)
          She could do a lot of tricks, and the moves were very crowd-pleasing. When she
          sparred against my more linear Japanese style, it caused her major problems, I noticed.
          She'd never really seen it done that way. ;) But the style she used seemed very
          effective, and it's good exercise, too.

          LSN

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          • #50
            The cool thing about Escrima (Arnis) is that the techniques can be used with two sticks, a stick and a knife, two knives, or even with two empty hands. The movements are all so seamless and flowing -- strike after strike non-stop -- that once you have mastered them, it doesn't really matter what's in your hands. I could fight with a rolling pin in one hand and a claw hammer in the other and it wouldn't make much difference other than adjusting for the length of the weapon.

            Plus, it's great to know if you frequent pool halls (which I don't). A pool cue broken in two makes a perfect set of sticks!

            Originally posted by LSN
            When she sparred against my more linear Japanese style, it caused her major problems, I noticed. She'd never really seen it done that way.
            Man, nothing messes you up more than when your opponent doesn't fight the way you want them to! :lol: Monkey Kung Fu masters must really freak their opponents out!
            "Wounds are all I'm made of. Did I hear you say that this is victory?"
            --Michael Moorcock, Veteran of the Psychic Wars

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            • #51
              Originally posted by PsychicWarVeteran
              The cool thing about Escrima (Arnis) is that the techniques can be used with two sticks, a stick and a knife, two knives, or even with two empty hands. The movements are all so seamless and flowing -- strike after strike non-stop -- that once you have mastered them, it doesn't really matter what's in your hands. I could fight with a rolling pin in one hand and a claw hammer in the other and it wouldn't make much difference other than adjusting for the length of the weapon.

              Plus, it's great to know if you frequent pool halls (which I don't). A pool cue broken in two makes a perfect set of sticks!
              It's a good style. Teaching this stuff for as long as I have has led me to become a
              "student," as it were, of various martial arts. So I've looked at Escrima in detail. I used
              to watch my daughter train in it, and being sort-of experienced in various somewhat
              similar disciplines, I picked up a lot of things about it, which I subsequently supplemented
              by reading and asking questions. (I've been out of school for years now, but am the
              eternal graduate student because of all that time in institutions of "higher learning.")
              So I know its history, its basic philosophy and approach. I agree it has a lot of
              things going for it, as do other "exotic" styles like Silat.

              However, no one has time to learn all the styles. At this point in my life, I'm going
              to keep working to perfect what I already know. (I'm getting focused again, because
              in class tonight, my teacher told me I need to take the next Dan test in TKD. Oh
              joy. ;))


              Originally posted by LSN
              When she sparred against my more linear Japanese style, it caused her major problems, I noticed. She'd never really seen it done that way.
              Man, nothing messes you up more than when your opponent doesn't fight the way you want them to! :lol: Monkey Kung Fu masters must really freak their opponents out!
              I've been fortunate that since my first martial art, I've had the opportunity to participate
              in mixed-style sparring. In Shotokan years ago, my teacher brought a couple of friends
              to spar with us during jiyu kumite. They were incredibly good at avoiding and
              countering our high-commitment attacks. We then discovered they were black belt
              Aikidokas. ;) That led us to think about designing strategies against such styles.

              A simple rule to follow: if you fight someone with a different style, don't let your
              opponent suck you into fighting his way. Force him to cope with your style, not
              vice versa. That's what I used, for example, against the Chinese staff style, to
              good effect. It has worked against other styles. You need to know what works
              for you, and just remember the circle of fighting styles (offense - defense - trap).
              When you deduce the goal of your opponent, you can decide which strategy to
              use.

              There's no "unbeatable" style, any more than there's an "unstoppable" fencing
              thrust. I suspect you know this already. It's not the style, it's the person.

              LSN

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              • #52
                From simply discussing the Olympics, PWV and I managed to drag this tread, kicking
                and screaming, into martial arts. I never realized from his other postings that he was such
                an enthusiast. ;)

                We probably should've created a new forum for this topic -- truth in adverstising
                being a virtue. Then again, perhaps this topic has reached its natural conclusion.

                Could be. ;)

                LSN

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                • #53
                  Yes, it's sad to see a thread dedicated to the noble art of arm-chair sports hijacked by physically fit people. Damn you and your chiselled abs!!! I'd complain more, but I don't want anyone kicking my door down and bitch-slapping me while I struggle to drag my bloated body out from beneath a duvet of empty crisp packets. [burp] :D

                  D...
                  "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
                    Yes, it's sad to see a thread dedicated to the noble art of arm-chair sports hijacked by physically fit people.
                    Yes, it was dreadful. And this hideous act was perpetrated in part by someone (i.e., me)
                    who doesn't even watch arm-chair sports!

                    Damn you and your chiselled abs!!! I'd complain more, but I don't want anyone kicking my door down and bitch-slapping me while I struggle to drag my bloated body out from beneath a duvet of empty crisp packets. [burp] :D

                    D...
                    Silly humor mode ON

                    Hmm, it appears that PWV and I need to institute the MWM training program, with D
                    as the lucky winner of our special inaugural offer.

                    Of course, before we can work on the purely somatic factors, we must work on
                    your assertiveness. You will be assertive! Either that, or you'll wish you'd never
                    been born! If you claim that's already the case...

                    Don't worry, Duncan, this'll hurt you more than it hurts--that's to say, it'll hurt us
                    more than it hurts--just think beyond the pain of the moment, and think of all the
                    personal satisfaction you'll receive when you've completed the training! Think of the
                    posters in MWM you've wanted to pimp-slap all this time... Clearly, they're in for
                    a world of hurt.

                    In the meantime, lay in a good supply of Ibuprofen, and you need to discuss with
                    your significant other your future needs for deep-tissue massage.. ;)

                    LSN (of de Sade's Fitness Centers)

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