Healthcare System(s)

[Wanderlust]

why else would the Canadians line up to use USA hospitals rather than wait for long times to use second-rate Canadian socialist 'free' care?

This has been talked about to a great degree in these forums, and I'd ask you to cite your sources when making such charges. I live in Canada and rountinely have US relatives using Canadian addresses and medicare cards to come here for health care, as they pay nothing for the privlege; also, they pay no Canadian tax, so needless to say, they are part of the drain on our system.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/wo...in-canada.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-m..._b_215256.html

When Candians are using US health care, it's more often because they can afford it, and they don't want to wait for an operation in Canada.

Have fun with that Shaman.

[Wolfshead]

Malik,

Anyone who has read my blog over the last year know what I think of the "great capitalist medical system". All I have to say to you is don't lose your job, if your employer provides healthcare, and get a serious or chronic illness in anywhere close conjunction. If it happens you might take a different view of "Obamacare" since under it the insurance industry will not be able to deny you health care as they do now. Of course in worshipping at the altar of "pure" capitalism Congress decided to kill the public option of the bill so even tho the industry will have to offer you insurance no matter how sick you are there is no guarantee you will be able to afford it. Of course you can always arrange for a prepaid funeral just to cover any circumstances or get arrested so you get treatment in jail.

[MalikTous]

Dead medicine

As I stated, I'm writing it off. I don't want 'extended elder care' under the Obamacare socialist system, ever, and won't accept it. I frankly don't want any interaction at all with this horrendous unaffordable socialist boondoggle. I'm willing to do without or go to a Native shaman or, for that matter, a Haitian Serpent-and-Rainbow loa priest rather than accept Obama'care'. I've seen no socialist systems whatsoever that I'd consider worth the massive tax bleed they feed on. Thus I feel no remorse at rejecting all contact with any such system. I voted for third party candidates in revulsion at both Communist/Socialist influence in one major party and feudalist/theocrat/anti-wildlife influence in the other. If any of those neighbouring countries weren't already wrecked by Socialism, filthy with organised crime, or run by tin pot dictators and heretic theocrats, I'd consider moving...

[Wanderlust]

Of which "neighbouring countries" do you speak? You're in the US, right? So, there's only Canada and Mexico, and I'm pretty sure we haven't been "wrecked by socialism" or are "filthy with organized crime." Though as most countries we do have our share of the latter.

Oh yeah, we do as well have a "tin pot" dictator that goes by the tag of Prime Minister Harper, but he's more like a tea party kinda guy.

[Wolfshead]

As I stated, I'm writing it off. I don't want 'extended elder care' under the Obamacare socialist system, ever, and won't accept it. I frankly don't want any interaction at all with this horrendous unaffordable socialist boondoggle. I'm willing to do without or go to a Native shaman or, for that matter, a Haitian Serpent-and-Rainbow loa priest rather than accept Obama'care'. I've seen no socialist systems whatsoever that I'd consider worth the massive tax bleed they feed on. Thus I feel no remorse at rejecting all contact with any such system. I voted for third party candidates in revulsion at both Communist/Socialist influence in one major party and feudalist/theocrat/anti-wildlife influence in the other. If any of those neighbouring countries weren't already wrecked by Socialism, filthy with organised crime, or run by tin pot dictators and heretic theocrats, I'd consider moving...

Spoken like a man who has enjoyed good health and has never woken up and was unable to move half his body or has seen his finger joints swollen to the size of golf balls and unable to even wipe his butt properly. May you continue to enjoy good health so that your convictions are never put to the acid test.

BTW Malik, while I do agree with the ridiculous malpractice litigation that has gone on, it was Ronald Reagan, the great patron saint of conservatism, who instituted the law that required that hospitals be required to treat anyone regardless of standing, insured or uninsured, citizen or illegal. Now that sounds a lot more like socialism than "Obamacare"

[Lucid Sirius]

President Richard Nixon was the first modern president to consider proposing national health care, taking a page from Franklin Roosevelt's ideas, ones which Dwight Eisenhower thought were pretty good, too. Oh, and so did Barry Goldwater. Call anyone of them a "socialist" and they'd have shot you in the ass.

Wanderlust, I'm shocked to hear you may live in a country "filthy with organized crime." Does this mean when I buy Molson I'm subsidizing the Canuck Mafia?

[Guzzlecrank]

Wanderlust, I'm shocked to hear you may live in a country "filthy with organized crime."

Whew! I thought that phrase was code for Brooklyn!

[Wanderlust]

Lucid, maybe not so much when you buy Molsons. I was thinking about the organized crime supported by those tank fill-ups.

[Lucid Sirius]

Lucid, maybe not so much when you buy Molsons. I was thinking about the organized crime supported by those tank fill-ups.

Ha! Of course. The Extraction Mafia.

[opaloka]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/health...ort/index.html

Why Americans are dying earlier than their international peers

Despite spending more per person on health care than any other country, Americans are getting sicker and dying younger than our international peers -- a problem persisting across all ages and both genders, according to a new report.