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  • David Mosley
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    Quite agree with all of that, Mickey.

    Originally posted by Mikey_C
    Let's face it, deep down within the nation a deep pool of resentment against Jade Goody was bubbling away because she's fat, ugly, thick, untalented, completely useless and worth EIGHT MILLION QUID FOR DOING NOTHING!
    Another equally talentless "media whore" who I find insufferable is Kerry Katona, who much like Jade, appears to make most of her money by blatantly living her 'soap opera' of life within the pages of Heat, Closer, Reveal, Ok!, Now, ad nauseum. One week she's up, the next she's down. Up, down, up, down. One day she's introducing her new fiancé, then she's dumping him, disowning her mother, reuniting with her fiancé, announcing her pregnancy, checking into rehab, being snapped coming out of a nightclub 'tired and emotional', publicising her fitness DVD, moaning about her weight, etc. etc.

    It really can't be healthy to live your life like that, so it comes as no surprise when she announces she's manic-depressive. I can't help thinking that perhaps if KK and others like her didn't have this obsessive compulsion to live their lives under a media microscope in the full glare of the public spotlight then perhaps they'd have, you know, a 'normal' life.

    Of course, then they wouldn't be famous.

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  • Mikey_C
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    Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
    Amusingly the cover of The Sun today claims that Shilpa has changed Britain!
    The Scum's new anti-racist stance is making me laugh. They just can't get it right. To judge from yesterday's front cover, they apparently think that "chavs" are a minority ethnic group. In the very same edition as vilifying the hapless Jade for her "Shilpa Poppadom" faux pas, they ran an article in the sports pages that called a Chinese snooker champion (wait for it...) "Pot Noodle"!

    What this is really all about, of course, is covering themselves against charges of racism whilst they incessantly vilify asylum seekers, migrant workers and veil-wearing Muslims, whilst inciting their bigotry-free readers to trash traveller encampments.



    Whilst we're at it - how about The Scum's record on homophobia?



    I've gone on about this before - but how come the press stays silent about the real racists, but focusses so much attention on someone who was genuinely too thick to realise how her comments would be taken (she thought East Anglia was somewhere near Morocco, for Arioch's sake, and her dad was actually black!)

    Let's face it, deep down within the nation a deep pool of resentment against Jade Goody was bubbling away because she's fat, ugly, thick, untalented, completely useless and worth EIGHT MILLION QUID FOR DOING NOTHING! Not a great amount really (think what the scum in the City are paying themselves), but enough to make the not-quite-so fat, ugly, thick, untalented and completely useless masses feel envious.

    So I don't think we're really witnessing a wave of revulsion against racism - more of an upsurge of annoyance against "nonebrity" culture manifesting itself as a large-scale outbreak of the bullying, pack-mentality type of behaviour that was ironically the cause of the whole hoo-ha when presented as entertainment by C4.

    The manipulative nature of CBB sickens me. I will confess to watching it last year, solely because George Galloway was on. Having met the man (I'm not a fan), I found his ludicrous appearance on the show a source of fascination from the outset. He originally hoped to use it as a platform for his political ideas to "appeal to young people". (This in itself was a truly foolish idea, as its well-known that any type of political or otherwise sensible conversation is edited out of the broadcasts).

    It didn't take long for his voluminous ego to get pulled into the pettiness that "Big Brother" so cunningly engineered, so by the end he was in an almighty sulk, and had formed a faction with Michael Barrymore and Pete Burns (bizarre combination) against the younger inmates. Consequence: every young person in the country started to hate him - Radio 1 started a campaign to evict him and he became a national laughing stock due to his creepy pussy cat impersonation with the appalling Rula Lenska ("she's got real class, she's a Polish aristocrat" slimed GG at one unguarded moment which must have had his Socialist Worker followers gagging over their TV-top busts of Lenin.)

    This time around, however, it seems its Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ken Livingstone and practically the whole country who have been suckered. The politicians quickly moved from condemning the show to endorsing it by urging people to get involved in the voting process and then telling us to celebrate the pointless result as though it were a matter of national importance.

    If the three "racist" contestants are genuinely receiving death threats, suffering breakdowns, losing partners and signing into private mental hospitals as a consequence, then I think its a pretty tasteless form of entertainment. Kind of like badger-baiting, but done with people. Not nice at all.
    Last edited by Mikey_C; 01-31-2007, 01:57 PM.

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  • white wolf's son
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    Miss Piggy

    Originally posted by David Mosley
    I suspect Jade uses a trough, actually.
    David, you hit the nail right on the head!! They should have put one in the programme to make her feel at home. I 've never watched the programme, never will but I heard today she has gone into Rehab?? for the stress she is under? Hope they've got a trough in there!!

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  • Morgan Kane
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    In france, we have reality shows ....

    Things as BB less because of lack of audience.

    But i remeber a show where the pictures were built to give the feeling that a married man had laid with a woman.

    After the show, the wife was mocked and it finished by a divorce.

    Afrench Tv show each week is about the way the TV builds reality, even and mainly in realityshows. For instance in a show, the sequence was decided before etc ...

    Theses shows are traps for people in and for people watching according scenarios made to have audience.

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  • David Mosley
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    Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
    Don't we all eat with our hands?
    I suspect Jade uses a trough, actually.

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  • DeeCrowSeer
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    Originally posted by danskmacabre
    However, if you DO go on a show like that, you should be aware they're going to show any events or comments that are going to push up ratings for them, which includes all the stuff that she apparently did.
    Quite so. And you don't even have to generalise... there have been eight series (or so) of BB, and every year someone says something absurdly ignorant or hateful and comes out saying "It's all in the editing... I was quoted out of context!" Happens every time, and they still seem shocked by it. Nevertheless, the producers can't edit words into people's mouths... they can fake reactions by using different shots of people, but even that couldn't be done during a live stream. So, really, if you say something phenomenally stupid in a TV studio, surrounded by cameras, you have to acknowledge that and apologise for it. Also, there's no escaping the fact that in the post-eviction interview Jo was just as surly and unapologetic as she had been in the house, and that was "live". She certainly doesn't deserve death threats though. She deserves to be called a "moron" on the street a couple of times, and refused entry to every Asian-owned business in the land, but not death threats.

    I was thinking over one of the clips they keep showing, and it struck me as odd that Jo and Danielle should have had a discussion about whether or not Indian or Chinese people "eat with their hands", because British people eat with their hands in pretty much every takeaway I can think of... chips, burgers, fried chicken and kebabs... then there are cakes, biscuits, crisps, sandwiches/wraps, garlic bread, etcetera. It seems a remarkably stupid discussion for them to have had, as young people in this country. Don't we all eat with our hands? Whether what they said was racist or not is a matter for the offended and the police, not me... either way, it was a very stupid thing to say.

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  • johneffay
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    Originally posted by danskmacabre
    However, if you DO go on a show like that, you should be aware they're going to show any events or comments that are going to push up ratings for them,
    And if you are a celebrity, you should be doubly aware of this fact.

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  • danskmacabre
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    Not having seen BB, It's hard for me to reliably comment on it.
    However, if you DO go on a show like that, you should be aware they're going to show any events or comments that are going to push up ratings for them, which includes all the stuff that she apparently did.

    Everyone knows the media colours the "facts" to their needs.
    That's why I take what I see on the news with a pinch of salt and I pretty much ignore newspapers.
    If I want to find something out about current events, I'll goto various news websites from different countries to get different views and decide from there.
    Last edited by danskmacabre; 01-30-2007, 06:34 AM.

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  • David Mosley
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    Celebrity's latest casualty (of her own making)?

    Jo's anguish

    Former S Club 7 Jo O'Meara tells her side of the story - watch the whole interview here

    An emotional Jo O'Meara broke down in tears on GMTV, claiming that her comments that helped to fan the flames of the race row were taken out of context.

    Speaking to Fiona Phillips, the former housemate said she was shocked by the public reaction and claims she has been the victim of death threats since leaving the house.

    Watch the complete interview by clicking on the link at the top of this page

    FIONA PHILLIPS: Jo, I have to say, I'm really shocked at the state you are in. You've been rocking back and forth, you're shaking, you just look like a broken woman. How are you feeling three days on?

    JO O'MEARA: I'm just so shocked. I just feel shocked at the way the public... the way I have been seen and perceived, because that is not me. I don't know why they have dug me out as much people have done, because that is not the person that I am, that was shown.

    FP: But you said those things. You said that Indian's are skinny because they don't cook their food properly, when Shilpa was asking for your help during that huge argument with Jade you just laughed, and after it you said, 'It's made my day'. All of those comments were yours weren't they?

    JM: Yes they were, but everything has been taken completely out of context. I was laughing at the fact that the house sends you mad, as you can probably see. I was just laughing at the fact that we were arguing over an Oxo cube at the end of the day. It's just so silly.

    FP: So if Shilpa came into the room right now, what would you say to her?

    JM: I would give her a big hug. I didn't have anything against Shilpa at all, it's just that I probably didn't bond with her as well as I did with some others but it was never anything to do with the fact that she was an Indian woman. The things that I have said about her have not been fairly quoted, I said that I think she is probably one of the most beautiful, most glamorous woman that I have ever met, but none of that stuff has ever got across. It's just all the bad stuff, all the time.

    FP: I have to say, I was shocked at how you came across in the house, always smoking, always swearing...

    JM: It's the way the programme has been edited. I wasn't in my dressing gown all day long, I was showered, hair washed and dressed by ten, eleven, every single morning.

    FP: You weren't portrayed very well in the Sunday papers, which didn't help matters. There was a very defiant picture of you on the front of the Sunday Mirror, saying that you refuse to apologise and that you would do it all again if there was a chance. What do you say to that?

    JM: Everything that I said in that interview was completely misquoted, it really was. I don't know what I am supposed to do.

    FP: Have you seen your parents yet?


    An upset Jo nods her head

    FP: What do they think?

    JM: Devastated.

    FP: Have you been home yet?

    JM: I can't go home.

    FP: Why can't you go home?

    JM: Because I have got death threats.

    FP: Has anyone from Big Brother actually tried to help you?

    JM: Not really.

    FP: What do you think of what they have done to you? From what I can see, they have left you completely broken.

    JM: I just feel that Big Brother had a TV show to make and they have to do what they can to make good viewing and unfortunately I felt like I was a guinea pig or something, I felt like I was put in a fish tank. It's ruined my life. I just want to say to everyone, that if I did offend anybody in anyway, I never meant it at all.

    FP: Do you think you bullied Shilpa?

    JM: No, I don't think I bullied Shilpa at all. I really don't. I have got feelings, and I make mistakes sometimes, everybody makes mistakes but just not everybody does it on TV.

    FP: Why did you do it then?

    JM: I did it to try and save my house.

    FP: Because, is it true, that your house is in threat of being repossessed?


    Jo nods and becomes very upset

    FP: Alright, we'll leave you because you really do need to get some help. It is terrible to see you like this. Thanks Jo.

    Please note: GMTV MUST BE CREDITED IF ANY QUOTES ARE USED.
    Compare & contrast to this headline at the weekend:

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  • DeeCrowSeer
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    Originally posted by David Mosley
    Like I say, Alan expresses it a lot better than that (and I'm trying to remember something I read 10-15 years ago) so I must apologies for my ineptitude in summarising his thoughts. No doubt I do him a disservice in trying to do so.
    Well, I thought it was a very interesting analogy, and very well put! I suppose you could also make the comparison with The American West, when that frontier was first opening up and everyone was rushing over with their shovels and covered wagons. "There's gold in them thar reality TV shows!!"

    But I agree that the smart ones are those that go back to obscurity with some shred of dignity intact. The first winner of the UK BB, Craig, didn't do that... but he had entered the house to raise money for a local girl who needed a heart/lung transplant (okay, I peeked at Wiki for that bit of the sentence...). An admirable motivation, but ever since that first series, there has been very little worthy of admiration.

    Amusingly the cover of The Sun today claims that Shilpa has changed Britain! I think that's overstating the case a bit... but the whole thing has certainly changed me, and made me want to do more to tackle my own ignorance about other countries.* I doubt this furore has changed many hardcore racists into happier, hipper bunnies, but it's clearly galvanised some sections of society, and forced some difficult issues into the national consciousness/conscience for a bit. For some reason a commentator in The Sun also claims that the country's interest in Shilpa will fade after a few months... but I would say that depends entirely on what she does with her new found UK fame. If she's cast in a new series or film, then she could be around much longer... there is at least the potential for longevity in an acting career... especially a bi-lingual, bi-national one...

    * Until last year I didn't even know that Sri Lanka was an island! I thought it was part of India...

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  • johneffay
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    Originally posted by Kipper
    I doubt if she, personally, is as adroit as it appears. I do think that she has some superb agent/advisors who have guided her steps to this point.
    Well, I couldn't say for sure but consider this.

    1. It is a fact that she hardly ever went to school as she was at home looking after her appalling mother which probably explains why she is so ignorant of so many things that most people assume are general knowledge.

    2. She has had the same initial agents/advisors to guide her steps as many other BB contestants (including some winners) and yet, despite only coming fourth she has somehow managed to be considerably more successful in terms of enduring celebrity status and financial gain.

    I don't deny that she was in the right place at the right time when the public took her to their hearts or whatever. However, whilst she is certainly uneducated, you don't manage to claw your way that far up the slippery pole despite having no apparent talent whatsoever without having something about you.

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  • Kipper
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    Originally posted by johneffay
    Jade is reputedly worth £8 million. Even if that's only half true, it's a hell of an incentive to go on these sorts of programmes.

    However, I doubt that many of the contestants are as sharp at exploiting their talents as she is...
    I seem to remember that Jade was ridiculed by the media at the time of her first BB show? She was made out to be a real dumbass. There was almost a media frenzy around her for a couple of months after the show.
    I doubt if she, personally, is as adroit as it appears. I do think that she has some superb agent/advisors who have guided her steps to this point. Perhaps she should have taken them with her on the last BB, to advise her there!
    It also highlights the total lack of real talent on TV in these days of cable and satellite multi-channel eyeball candy. She's had a chat show on Living TV, fer gawd's sake! How?

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  • David Mosley
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    As I mentioned in another thread recently (in response to something Doc wrote), I've always felt that Alan Moore had made a particularly adroit observation when he describe the 20th (now the 21st) century's obsession with Fame as being akin to going to sea in the 18th century. I'm really going to have to hunt through my box files and clippings to find the actual quote (because Moore puts it so much better than I will), but in précis, it goes something like this:

    In the 18th century, we used to throw young people to the vagaries of sea-life. They would be made to work on sailing ships, amongst the rigging and yardarms of the ship. Life was dangerous, occasionally people lost limbs or even their lives battling the capricious Sea. Sometimes people went voluntarily into service, but other times they were 'pressed' into servitude against their will.

    Nowadays, we let young people throw themselves upon the equally capricious tides of Fame. They are thrown up and down according to the public's interest (or disinterest) in them, and invariably some are wrecked upon the rocks of Celebrity. Many go in search of Fame without really knowing what it entails, and find it tastes very bitter.

    Like I say, Alan expresses it a lot better than that (and I'm trying to remember something I read 10-15 years ago) so I must apologies for my ineptitude in summarising his thoughts. No doubt I do him a disservice in trying to do so.

    Getting back to the topic at hand - i.e. BB - it seems to me that the people who perhaps come out least scathed by their experiences are those like Sandy (from BB3?) who turn their backs on a post-BB life and pretend it never happened.

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  • johneffay
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    Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
    Haven't people learned by now not to go on these shows? Yes, you might launch a short TV career, but you might also become a national hate figure.
    Jade is reputedly worth £8 million. Even if that's only half true, it's a hell of an incentive to go on these sorts of programmes.

    However, I doubt that many of the contestants are as sharp at exploiting their talents as she is...

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  • DeeCrowSeer
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    And the winner is... Shilpa Shetty!!! A good result for Big Brother, and for Britain.

    Was it the sympathy vote that carried her to victory? Possibly, but I see no shame in that. She still could have blown all that goodwill in the last week, but instead she became even more adorable. Imho. It's interesting that the top three housemates were all from other countries, with two Americans and one Indian. None of the homegrown housemates could really compete... no matter how many times H-From-Steps tried to get his nips out for the camera! Bless.

    It's strange that Dermot and Davina (the presenters) both expressed their dislike for having to conduct interviews where there was actually an issue at stake, and something of interest to discuss. They repeatedly agreed that they'd rather be talking about farts and burps, than racism. Clealry this episode hasn't fired up a dormant journalistic streak in either of the presenters. What effect it has on society as a whole remains to be seen... probably none... it's mildly depressing that they are now announcing the auditions for the next civilian series. Haven't people learned by now not to go on these shows? Yes, you might launch a short TV career, but you might also become a national hate figure. I love it when someone comes out and defends their abhorent behaviour by saying "You don't understand what it's like in there..." Well, to be fair, there have been at least eight series now, so I think we do understand what happens to people when they're put in that pressure-cooker house. If you choose to go in there, knowing how it has destroyed peoples' lives in the past, then you have to take responsibility for that decision. Surely?

    But more power to Shetty, who managed to keep her head while all around were putting their own on the tabloid chopping block...
    Last edited by DeeCrowSeer; 01-29-2007, 01:40 AM.

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