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    A South Korean protester burns a banner bearing a picture of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il during an anti-North Korea rally in Seoul, Monday, Oct. 9, 2006. North Korea said Monday it performed its first-ever nuclear weapons test, claiming it set off a successful underground blast in a "great leap forward" that defied international warnings against the communist regime. The Korean read " Nuclear Abolition." (AP Photo/ Lee Jin-man)

    North Korea Says It Conducts Nuke Test

    By BURT HERMAN, Associated Press Writer

    1 hour ago UPDATED 15 MINUTES AGO
    SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea faced united global condemnation and calls for harsh sanctions Monday after it announced it had detonated an atomic weapon in an underground test that thrust the secretive communist state into the elite club of nuclear-armed nations. The U.N. Security Council planned a meeting Monday morning on the test, and the U.S. and Japan were expected to press for more sanctions on the impoverished North.

    There were conflicting reports on the size of the blast in northeast North Korea. South Korea said it was relatively small, while Russia said it had been perhaps as powerful as the nuclear bombs the U.S. dropped on Japan during World War II.
    The explosion prompted worldwide concern it could seriously destabilize the region, and even Pyongyang's ally China said it strongly opposed the move. South Korea's spy chief said there were possible indications the North was moving to conduct more tests.

    The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the underground test was performed successfully using the country's own technology and that no radiation leaked from the site.

    The test "marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," KCNA said in an English-language dispatch, adding that it was "a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation."

    If details of the test are confirmed, North Korea would be the ninth country known to have nuclear weapons, along with the United States, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan and Israel.

    Only Russia said the blast was a nuclear explosion but the reaction of world governments reflected little doubt that they were treating the North's announcement as fact.

    "We have no doubt that it was a nuclear explosion," Russia's Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said in televised remarks.
    A nuclear North Korea would dramatically alter the strategic balance of power in the Pacific region and seriously undermine global anti-proliferation efforts. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said the test would mark the beginning of a "dangerous nuclear age" in north Asia.

    Australia and South Korea said there was seismic confirmation that pointed to a nuclear test. However, Japan and the United States said they couldn't immediately confirm a nuclear test.

    South Korea's seismic monitoring center said a magnitude 3.6 tremor felt at the time of the nuclear test wasn't a natural occurrence.

    The size of the tremor could indicate an explosive equivalent to 550 tons of TNT, said Park Chang-soo, spokesman at the Korea Institute of Geoscience and Mineral Resources _ which would be far smaller than the nuclear bombs the U.S. dropped on Japan in World War II.

    The head of South Korea's spy agency said the blast was equivalent to less than 1 kiloton of TNT, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported. National Intelligence Service chief Kim Seung-kyu also told lawmakers that there were signs of suspicious movement at another suspected test site, Yonhap said.

    French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie also said the explosion measured about half a kiloton, but did not confirm it was caused by a nuclear device.

    But Russia's Ivanov said the force of the blast was between five and 15 kilotons.

    The atomic bomb that struck Hiroshima, Japan, on Aug. 6, 1945, had the destructive power of about 15 kilotons of TNT.
    The U.S. Geological Survey said it recorded a seismic event with a preliminary magnitude of 4.2 in northeastern North Korea coinciding with the test claim, but survey official Bruce Presgrave said the agency was unable to tell if it was an atomic explosion or a natural earthquake.

    Nuclear blasts give off clear seismic signatures that differentiate them from other explosions, said Friedrich Steinhaeusler, a professor of physics at Salzburg University. Even if the bomb the North Koreans detonated was small, sensors in South Korea would likely be close enough to categorize the explosion as nuclear, he said.

    "I think we have to take them at their word. They're not the type of regime to bluff," said Peter Beck, Seoul-based analyst for conflict resolution think tank International Crisis Group.

    White House spokesman Tony Snow said the U.S. government had not confirmed the claims of a nuclear test but that it "would constitute a provocative act in defiance of the will of the international community and of our call to refrain from actions that would aggravate tensions in Northeast Asia."

    The U.S. also called for immediate U.N. Security Council action.

    In July, the Security Council unanimously condemned the North in a unanimous resolution after a series of missile launches, imposing limited sanctions and demanding the country rejoin international nuclear talks. The North immediately rejected the resolution.

    Also at the Security Council, South Korea's Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon was expected later Monday to be nominated as the next secretary-general of the United Nations. Ban has said he would use the post, which he would assume at year's end, to press for a resolution of the North Korean nuclear standoff.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin told Cabinet officials Monday that Moscow "certainly condemns the test conducted by North Korea." "It doesn't just concern North Korea, enormous damage has been done to the process of nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the world."

    Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair said the test was a "completely irresponsible act," and its Foreign Ministry warned of international repercussions.

    Japan's Abe, in Seoul for a summit meeting, said the "the development and possession of nuclear weapons by North Korea will in a major way transform the security environment in North Asia and we will be entering a new, dangerous nuclear age."

    China, the North's closest ally, said on Monday that Beijing "resolutely opposes" the North Korean nuclear test and hopes Pyongyang will return to disarmament talks.

    "The breaking of a de-facto global moratorium on nuclear explosive testing that has been in place for nearly a decade and the addition of a new state with nuclear weapon capacity is a clear setback to international commitments to move towards nuclear disarmament," the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, said in a statement.

    South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun said the test would make it difficult for Seoul to maintain its engagement policy with its communist neighbor.

    The two Koreas, which fought a 1950-53 war that ended in a cease-fire but no peace treaty, are divided by the world's most heavily armed border. However, they have made strides toward reconciliation since their leaders met at their first-and-only summit in 2000.

    The South is reconsidering plans to ship 4,000 tons of cement of emergency relief to the North for floods it suffered in mid-July, a Unification Ministry official said on customary condition of anonymity. Seoul cut off regular aid after the North's July missile launches.

    Impoverished and isolated North Korea has relied on foreign aid to feed its 23 million people since its state-run farming system collapsed in the 1990s following decades of mismanagement and the loss of Soviet subsidies.

    The North has refused for a year to attend international talks aimed at persuading it to abandon its nuclear ambitions. The country pulled out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 2003 after U.S. officials accused it of a secret nuclear program, allegedly violating an earlier nuclear pact between Washington and Pyongyang.

    The North is believed to have enough radioactive material for about a half-dozen bombs. It insists its nuclear program is necessary to deter a U.S. invasion.

    The North has active missile programs, but it isn't believed to have an atomic bomb design small and light enough to be mounted on a long-range rocket that could strike targets as far as the U.S.

    In Pyongyang, North Koreans went about their lives as usual Monday with no signs of heightened alert. Red flags of the North's Korean Workers' Party draped buildings and lampposts to mark Tuesday's 61st anniversary of the party's founding.

    The country's state TV read the report about the test during its regular newscasts. The item wasn't the top story and there were no images shown of the test.

    Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
    The very saddest part of the Kim regime is that some 23 million are starving and dependent on other countries (particularly China, as seen in the above aricle) while the country's resources are spent on weapons development.

    President Bush spoke briefly about the test a few minutes ago, and basically repeated a general condemnation but noted the US would "pursue diplomatic channels". I guess that means he does not want to nuke them in response. I sure hope that's what he means!

    One confusion seems to be the size of the bomb, one to fifteen megatons is quite a range. Likely more data will come in through the next few days.

    I was somewhat amused at how many "spies" were quickly contacted and quoted. Didn't know they could be found in the Yellow Pages, but then I looked under "Espionage". Ya learn sumpin new every day.
    Last edited by Miqque; 10-09-2006, 06:48 AM.
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  • #2
    Miqque Posted:
    Didn't know they could be found in the Yellow Pages, but then I looked under "Espionage".
    You're looking in the wrong section of the book Miqque.

    It's under "Double-Knot Spies."

    And in regards to Kim Jong:
    If he can infect enough of the general population of North Korea with radiation poisoning he can cause them to mutate into Flesh-eating-zombies.

    + =

    The zombies would in turn start devouring all of the other inhabitants of earth and eliminate all hopes for peace and tranquility for all future generations.
    Isn't that an accomplishment that could be written down in history ignoring the fact that there won't be anyone left to write or read about the travesty?
    Last edited by voilodian ghagnasdiak; 10-09-2006, 07:46 AM.


    • #3
      Originally posted by voilodian ghagnasdiak
      Isn't that an accomplishment that could be written down in history ignoring the fact that there won't be anyone left to write or read about the travesty?
      Well aren't we living in the "The End Of History"? At least according to that liberal fundamentalist Francis Fuk-yo-mama?


      • #4
        You have to wonder if another country has aided them in gaining such technology and if so which country (I have my suspicions).
        My signature is


        • #5
          Originally posted by redbeard
          You have to wonder if another country has aided them in gaining such technology and if so which country (I have my suspicions).
          Try Googling "North Korea" +Nuclear +Pakistan.

          The North Koreans have a track record for kidnapping scientists as well.


          • #6
            Originally posted by johneffay
            Try Googling "North Korea" +Nuclear +Pakistan.
            That was my chief suspicion.
            My signature is


            • #7
              Ha! How about a little give and take? Denying North Korea nuclear weapons is not only unfair it's racist!

              This time the world community has gone to far! I am outraged!
              "Jerry Cornelius was based, for instance, on a young man I used to see around Notting Hill where there was also a greengrocer called Cornelius of London."

              --Michael Moorcock


              • #8
                North Korea + nuclear + Pakistan = we're bustin' Mumia out of the can!

                Last edited by Jerry Cornelius; 10-09-2006, 04:34 PM.
                "Jerry Cornelius was based, for instance, on a young man I used to see around Notting Hill where there was also a greengrocer called Cornelius of London."

                --Michael Moorcock


                • #9
                  And din find th' muthafucka what wacked 2-Pac!

                  And we won't be takin' down our hood no mo in school wen da teacha sez, yo!
                  "Jerry Cornelius was based, for instance, on a young man I used to see around Notting Hill where there was also a greengrocer called Cornelius of London."

                  --Michael Moorcock


                  • #10
                    I truly have no idea what you're talking about Jerry.

                    Seems to me that we don't actually know whehther a nuclear device has been tested. That something has been tested appears indisputable, but the precise nature of the explosion is as yet unclear.

                    N Korea would love the rest of the world to think it had detonated a nuclear device, but remember Saddam put it about that he had WMD when in fact he had nothing because it made him look like a 'strong man' to his neighbours.

                    At this time we should act on the assumption that a nuclear device has been exploded, and take appropriate measures, but absolute confirmation should be sought asap.
                    _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                    _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                    _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                    _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."


                    • #11
                      In fact, the big lesson of the irak invasion is that if you have a nuclear weapon, the U.S. army will not attack !

                      Iran and Korea have learned it .


                      • #12
                        I think it is all about money.
                        N. Korea needs money desperately to feed her people. Either the West pays Kim to abandon the nuclear path or certain others him pay to get the technology. Then West pays more than those others. It all might help the right people once again to win the elections, I am afraid ...
                        I say this before it is confirmed that it was actually a nuclear device they detonated, but in all events, it is about money.
                        Google ergo sum


                        • #13
                          Miqque Posted:The very saddest part of the Kim regime is that some 23 million are starving and dependent on other countries (particularly China, as seen in the above aricle) while the country's resources are spent on weapons development.
                          Any lengthy sanctions imposed by China, South Korea and Japan alone will most likely cause the starvation/death of thousands/millions of North Korean civilians. Kim Jong will rebound the blame back onto “the party of six” which want North Korea to suspend their nuclear weapons program. It’s apparent that South Korea and Japan are presently the most at risk and both are under fear of a NK attack. North Korea has announced that any further acts of “aggression” (sanctions) by the US will be viewed as a declaration of war. I think that Kim Jong is sitting on a full powderkeg whilst pointing a magnifying glass at the wick ....about now...
                          I watched GWB’s press conference this morning and in my opinion he made some valid points. GB made it quite clear that the United States will retaliate if North Korea shows any sign of threat or aggression towards any of its allies. GB also stated that it is a known fact that the US military has no nuclear weapons in that immediate area of the Pacific and poses no threat to NK by means of a nuclear strike. George B. failed to mention the nuclear warheads aboard US naval submarines…..but…ehhhh…what they don’t know wont hurt emmm.
                          I wouldn’t sleep too well at night if I was Kim Jong….especially taking into consideration the threat of being hit by a pre-emptive nuclear strike whilst sitting amidst my own reactors and atomic bombs…scary thought.

                          George Bush did admit (however) that the US has an interest in Iraq’s oil industry but only to stop the funding of terrorists (some honesty is better than none).. .

                          Don’t you remember Jethro Bodene becoming a “ Double-Knot Spy” on The Beverly Hillbillies Miqque. It took me a few years to realize that “double-knot” is referring to knots (holes) in a tree. Henceforth “double-knot seven” or agent 007.
                          Geez… an airplane registered to New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle just crashed into a 50 story Apartment Bldg. in New York City.
                          Later Miqque.
                          Last edited by voilodian ghagnasdiak; 10-11-2006, 01:24 PM.


                          • #14
                            French TV showed Bush saying that as president of the united states, he had the reposnsability to privilege the diplomatic option .......

                            I am afraid he is afraid of the nuclear power of North Korea

                            If he was sure Iraq had MWD, he would not have attacked ?


                            • #15
                              Smoke and mirrors we are both aware. As far as a category....Pre-emptive, aggressive, defensive strike perhaps, who knows what they'll call it? But it does put the US in Irans back yard doesnt it?
                              There were estimates today of 500,000 Iraqi casualties to date. George B. denounced those figures and attributed them to propaganda.
                              We'll know the truth someday...If we live long enough.