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Rise of TERF rhetoric in the UK?

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  • Peacefulpie
    Nomad of the Time Streams
    • Sep 2020
    • 40

    Rise of TERF rhetoric in the UK?

    Anybody else notice this? Every time there is a transphobic hashtag or something on twitter it always seems to be from people in the UK. Other countries have problems with transgender people but the majority of left wing transphobia seems to come from the UK. I don't really know why it is that way but it is just something I have noticed. Thoughts?
  • Heresiologist
    Mothra Worshipper
    • Jan 2012
    • 1009

    #2
    Yeah, I mostly ignore them, but I'm pretty sure it's been going on for a few years. Massively signal boosted by J.K. Rowling's involvement.

    If it's any consolation, there are a number of young Potter fans on my block (including my daughter) and their response to Rowling is basically, "she's wrong."

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    • Peacefulpie
      Nomad of the Time Streams
      • Sep 2020
      • 40

      #3
      Originally posted by Heresiologist View Post
      Yeah, I mostly ignore them, but I'm pretty sure it's been going on for a few years. Massively signal boosted by J.K. Rowling's involvement.

      If it's any consolation, there are a number of young Potter fans on my block (including my daughter) and their response to Rowling is basically, "she's wrong."
      Yeah. I'm not really too worried about younger people all my friends see through terf talking points but it's bad that it's getting so much attention in the UK with Rowling promoting that stuff.

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      • Heresiologist
        Mothra Worshipper
        • Jan 2012
        • 1009

        #4
        In my neck of the world woods, the last gaming event I went to was a showcase of indigenous produced games and the number of... I dunno... non-binaries, I guess, in attendance would have given Rowling an aneurysm or something. She'd probably have thought her life was direly threatened if she'd dared to use a bathroom.

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        • Doc
          Doc
          Eternal Champion
          • Jan 2004
          • 3630

          #5
          Sometimes the high profile boosting of ridiculous positions leads to people engaging with reasonable alternative viewpoints. Of course, in our social mediated world reasonable has disappeared. We need more people actually talking to one another, rather than only talking at one another. Rowling is clearly misguided (and wrong) but if her profile makes people ask questions that lead to productive conversations you can almost forgive her. Of course, everyone wishes she would be the one who was learning.

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          • Heresiologist
            Mothra Worshipper
            • Jan 2012
            • 1009

            #6
            I recently read an interview with Judith Butler, and it made me think of this thread. So, here it is: Judith Butler on the culture wars, JK Rowling and living in “anti-intellectual times”. Here's a teaser quote:

            I want to first question whether trans-exclusionary feminists are really the same as mainstream feminists. If you are right to identify the one with the other, then a feminist position opposing transphobia is a marginal position. I think this may be wrong. My wager is that most feminists support trans rights and oppose all forms of transphobia. So I find it worrisome that suddenly the trans-exclusionary radical feminist position is understood as commonly accepted or even mainstream. I think it is actually a fringe movement that is seeking to speak in the name of the mainstream, and that our responsibility is to refuse to let that happen.
            Last edited by Heresiologist; 11-07-2020, 10:54 PM.

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            • Heresiologist
              Mothra Worshipper
              • Jan 2012
              • 1009

              #7
              Thought this would go well in here: Scotland becomes first country in world to embed LGBT education in school curriculum.

              Nevertheless, sounds like there's still no shortage of TERF rhetoric, but it is seeing some pushback: deputy Labour leader criticises those opposing trans rights, insists the cause is no threat to women.

              And in something not so completely different news: Why The Guardian Censored Judith Butler on TERFs. Probably has something to do with statements such as the following:

              "The anti-gender ideology is one of the dominant strains of fascism in our times. So the Terfs will not be part of the contemporary struggle against fascism, one that requires a coalition guided by struggles against racism, nationalism, xenophobia and carceral violence, one that is mindful of the high rates of femicide throughout the world, which include high rates of attacks on trans and genderqueer people."
              Makes sense to me. Then again, I think "Conversion Therapy" is so deep into Clockwork Orange's Ludovico Technique territory, it should force a saving roll against Having an Are We the Baddies Moment.

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