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Cyprus, Refugees & Hezbollah/Israel [Split from Moorcock Inn]

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  • Anarchist
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    The main problem, at least from what I see in my country, is that people dont care. Cyprus might not be a rich country, but there are not many poor people in the country. The majority have a house and at least one car and eat every day. From a very young age, parents teach their children that the meaning of life is a well paying job, even if it is not something that the child will enjoy. That is partially because Cyprus passed through a very poor era a few dacades ago and the previus generation remain with the belief that what makes a correct and happy human is the income.
    And I ask you, how can a person, after hours of work (not necessarily hard work), sitting in an airconditioned room, watching stupid gossip TV shows, with full stomach, care about what is going on in the world or even in his/her country, at least more than an angry complain? That is the result of people getting educated and not cultured.

    Until this day, from what I have heard in the news, 40,000 people have arrived in Cyprus and 35,000 have departed. So, it seems that things are working out for the refugees.
    Also, the leading doctor of the Cypriots "Doctors of the world" and also a deputy of the parliament announced that the main injury doctors have to cure in Lebanon are deep burns, caused perhaps by phosphor bombs.

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  • Anarchist
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    The count has risen up to 35,000 people. Most of them are Americans, French, Swedish, British and Canadians. There have been some Lebanese but not as many as the nationalities mentioned. This fact together with the tourist period has created some problems to the airports and docks, but with help from other countries whose citizens are refugees and United Nations, those problems are solved.
    More info if you can read greek at http://www.typos.com.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=63815
    It seems though that we dont have time to steal from the refugees, we have enough tourist foreigners to suck blood from. I dont know how many people are in Ayia Napa and Limassol, I heard roumours about a million but I dont believe them. They are close though. Think how difficult it is with so many tourists coming from Europe and refugees from Asia. But we are glad to help, at least this way the world notices our tiny country.

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  • Morgan Kane
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    One of the most famous french revolutiuonnary song " La butte rouge " says :

    " Car les bandits qui sont cause des guerres N’en meurent jamais, on n’tue qu’les innocents ! "

    " As bandits who cause wars never die from them, only innocents are killed ! "

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  • Anarchist
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    Hehehe the old "greeks are thiefs" cliche? I guess we are at many occasions.

    Oren Douek I am not terrorized I am offended. So, my examples didnt do good to support the characterization "terrorists". My bad. What annoys me, which is a fact that I have accepted a long time ago, is the hypocrisy. Bush was fighting evil when he started attacking Iraq and Afganistan. Israel is fighting Hezbollah when attacking Lebanon...
    USA where fighting to gain fuel sources while Israel are fighting to reduce the nearby countries power, since they are a threat to them. There are no good and bad guys, no right or wrong. Criticizing the "terrorists" for their violent ways or the Israelis for their offencive strategy is naive in my opinion. Innocents always pay for the sake of politics and tactics, I dont like it, we dont like it but that's the way it is. Mankind cant live peacfully, if this leads us to destruction (the Iran nuclear threat mentioned in a relevant topic) perhaps it's for the better.
    Excuse me for abandoning serious political discussion but I felt I had to express myself

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  • Heiron
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    Here in Greece they usually place some policemen to watch out the block.Or some platoons in case there is a croud gathering...

    Well,in my village a guy sold 500ml of water for 3 euros so I guess there would be such prices in Cyprus.Afterall they are Greek too.

    I mostly think how much money the owners of the ships have asked from countries that want their citizens out from Lebanon...
    As far as I know most of the Greeks were carried by some ships of the Navy.

    Sure, the US government will want a "victory over the terrorists" before the elections.

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  • opaloka
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    I guess I tend to always fall down on the side of hundreds of thousands of people who are being forcibly displaced. Oh well, it just goes on forever. My only real question is what will the US be doing by november, how advanced the saber rattling with Syria and Iran will be - how soon will we make full use our new bases in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Uzbeksitan, Kazakhstan? Will we do it in time for election 2008?

    jb

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  • Oren
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    Originally posted by Anarchist
    That needs a very long discussion In my opinion, not only Hezbollah are terrorists. Israel goverment wanted to put armed guards in a big area around their embassy in my country. Armed guards in my country man, stopping me whenever they felt like it, pointing a gun on my face and demanding to tell them who I am and where I was going. The sun has darkened my skin and I have long hair and a beard. I would be considered terrorist and be arrested by foreigners in my own country. That is terrorism.
    October 4, 1984: Cyprus. A car bomb exploded in the parking lot of the Israeli Embassy in Cyprus. The building suffered severe damage. The Abu Musa organization was responsible for the attack.

    May 1988: Attempt to attack the Israel Embassy in Nicosia Cyprus, using a car bomb, detonated a few hundred meters away, killing several policeman.

    The American embassy here in Budapest has barricaded a street to the side of it and has armed guards positioned. Same thing with the Israeli embassy here. The Egyptian embassy in the heart of Tel Aviv has armed guards in front of it. This is not an uncommon thing. I'm sorry you feel terrorised by it.

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  • Pellaz
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    Originally posted by voilodian ghagnasdiak
    CNN estimates that 750,000 Lebanese refugees will be displaced. That is an awful lot of homeless people. I cant understand why the brunt of the blame is being put on Israel and not Hezbollah.
    I've noticed that media outlets seem to be underscoring the Israeli strikes into Lebanon, while passing over Hezbollah's rocket attacks into Israel and indeed, their initial kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers that started the mess in the first place.
    Case in point: the USA's largest daily newspaper, USA Today, had a front-page above the fold story where Hezbollah's attacks on Israel weren't even mentioned until the fifth paragraph of the article, and there only because the Israeli PM mentioned them in a quote. At one time I'd have been shocked at such a blatant disregard for balanced journalism, but now I'm just disgusted and resigned.

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  • Morgan Kane
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    Agreed but is there not a specific topic in raisonned debate ( Have you friends ... )

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  • Anarchist
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    That needs a very long discussion In my opinion, not only Hezbollah are terrorists. Israel goverment wanted to put armed guards in a big area around their embassy in my country. Armed guards in my country man, stopping me whenever they felt like it, pointing a gun on my face and demanding to tell them who I am and where I was going. The sun has darkened my skin and I have long hair and a beard. I would be considered terrorist and be arrested by foreigners in my own country. That is terrorism.

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  • voilodian ghagnasdiak
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    CNN estimates that 750,000 Lebanese refugees will be displaced. That is an awful lot of homeless people. I cant understand why the brunt of the blame is being put on Israel and not Hezbollah.

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  • Anarchist
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    We'd best setting up ariplanes and ships to take them home, because they are too much for us to handle. We are trying to find them places to stay but we are running out. Unfortunately that is war.

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  • voilodian ghagnasdiak
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    The Cnn estimates were 25,000 Americans and 40,000 Canadians wanting out of Lebanon. The ones holding dual citizenships might have a little diificulty. There will supposedly be 7,000 American and British citizens in Cyprus by the weekend. You'd best be setting up a hamburger and chip stand or a Rickshaw taxi service Anarc.

    England Swings

    England swings like a pendulum do,
    Bobbies on bicycles, two by two,
    Westminster Abbey the tower of Big Ben,
    The rosy red cheeks of the little children.

    Now, if you huff and puff and you fina'lly save enough
    Money up to take your family on a trip across the sea,
    Take a tip before you take your trip; let me tell you where to go,
    Go to Engeland, Oh;

    Mama's old pajamas and your papa's mustache,
    Falling out the window sill, frolic in the grass,
    Tryin' to mock the way they talk fun but all in vain,
    Gaping at the dapper men with derby hats and canes

    by Roger Miller

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  • Anarchist
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    Originally posted by voilodian ghagnasdiak
    Perhaps the combined body temps will lower the temperature by 1.4F. I would imagine that people are capitalizing on the situation. Who'll give me $5.00 for this bottle of water...five dollah...five dollah...seven dollah..Ive got seven dollahs from the man in the orange fedora...Sold To The American !!
    Erm yes we do that usually but not to that degree I hope :) We steal the foreigners but treat them nicely too.

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  • voilodian ghagnasdiak
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    Perhaps the combined body temps will lower the temperature by 1.4F. I would imagine that people are capitalizing on the situation. Who'll give me $5.00 for this bottle of water...five dollah...five dollah...seven dollah..Ive got seven dollahs from the man in the orange fedora...Sold To The American !!

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