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  • Teenmania/Battlecry (X-tian Fascists?).

    Well it's time for a new post here guys!

    I've been googling over the Teenmania initiative of Ron Luce et al.
    It's really quite disturbing whats brewing in america today. How they are taking advantage of youth during the uncertain times we live in today.
    When people are lost and don't feel safe they will do anything just to feel safe again. I know some people who become addicted to always 'wanting to feel safe and secure'. And I don't know how to translate the word from swedish. 'Safety-addiction' perhaps? It's kind of sickening when you see the condition in action. When it's beyond reason that is. Psychologists talk about it as a real problem. Politicians on the Right point at the welfare state. But I'd rather have the welfare state than the Theocracy of x-tian rule over my head. Considering my handle, it's quite ironic .

    http://www.teenmania.org/corporate/index.cfm

    (Note that it says 'corporate website')

    http://www.battlecry.com/

    (Note the 'Red' revolutionary flags their carrying. Looks like their hijacking socialist imagery.)

    It really is a fundamentalist world out there! And it's been brewing for a long time. I've warned people about this kind of crusade that they are initiating since the early 90's.

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    Lemec gives Theocrat a big hug!Nice to see you again my Swedish counterpart! I am so happy, forgive my silly nature. I'll make an intelligent response later. -Lemec

    "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
    - Michael Moorcock

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    • #3
      I visited fast the two sites ........

      To quote somebody, a stupid and dangerous answer to a question badly asked !

      In my opinion, it is true that companies and TV channels are addicting people, that to watch TV too much is full of danger ( there is a correlation from the number of weekly hours of TV and weight ) that TV is emptying brains for firms advertising ( In France the manager of the Maion French Channel was publicly proud of this ) ........

      But the answer is not a very expensive stay in a pseudo military camp where youth is mistreated. The answer is, may be, to fight capitalism and other things ( teaching youths and parents ? ) !

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      • #4
        I feel quite a bit of sympathy with certain of the motivations behind both those sites, but I cannot say that I approve or support either. I'm a Christian (Catholic) who finds the growing power of fundamentalist Christianity extremely disturbing. I'm also part of the ostensibly troubled generation that both these ministries target. There is some truth to the claims that today's youth have problems, but I don't think it's quite as ugly a situation as they describe, nor do I believe that irreligion is the problem.

        I'm religious, but I don't think it takes religion for one to be a good person.

        I've got lots more semi-coherent thoughts on this subject, but I'm too tired at the moment to even attempt to express them. I will, however, soon return to this thread.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Keele
          I feel quite a bit of sympathy with certain of the motivations behind both those sites, but I cannot say that I approve or support either. I'm a Christian (Catholic) who finds the growing power of fundamentalist Christianity extremely disturbing. I'm also part of the ostensibly troubled generation that both these ministries target. There is some truth to the claims that today's youth have problems, but I don't think it's quite as ugly a situation as they describe, nor do I believe that irreligion is the problem.

          I've got lots more semi-coherent thoughts on this subject, but I'm too tired at the moment to even attempt to express them. I will, however, soon return to this thread.
          Please do so!

          It's good to hear what young catholics think about this subject.
          And what a dangerous subject it is (man it's good to back on this forum).
          I've had less of a problem with catholics than I do most ardent protestants, notably the "Christian Capitalist Right", as Stuart Sim in his book 'A Fundamentalist World' calls them.

          Right now in Sweden we have the problem of xenophobia again (which we've always had). With the "Swedish_Democrats" party playing on the swedish peoples ignorance about immigration. Wanting to halt or put barriers towards other people immigrating. They are using (at least in my ears) 'fluffed down' rhetoric of the National5ociali5t's. It's rhetoric is appealing to the youth, which feel a bit culturally lost in this age of uncertainties (aka Postmodernist age, I guess I can say).
          And have troubles getting a job. Not knowing whats going on.

          Originally posted by Keele
          I'm religious, but I don't think it takes religion for one to be a good person.
          You are absolutely right!
          Seems like catholicism has more of a humanist direction these days, no?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lemec
            Lemec gives Theocrat a big hug!Nice to see you again my Swedish counterpart! I am so happy, forgive my silly nature. I'll make an intelligent response later. -Lemec
            It's nice to see you too man!
            This calls for a celebration. Maybe some fine red wine would do the trick?
            Now if only we had beaming technology!

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            • #7
              I do find it annoying when people blame lack of religion for a lack of morals; there is a presumption that the two go hand-in-hand,wheras it's evident that much of the secular philisophical struggle has been about defining morality in the absence of religion.

              (And of course, if you don't accept that the sacred texts are the word of God(s), religion is also about a philisophical struggle to define morality).

              Still, nice to see them making a land-grab for the counter-culture; it's like Ginsberg never happened.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Theocrat
                It's nice to see you too man!
                This calls for a celebration. Maybe some fine red wine would do the trick?
                Now if only we had beaming technology!
                Thanks! :) Teleporation would work too, or maybe even a Rift in the fabric of reality might work.I don't know too much of this subject, it seems to me that "middle class" teenagers in America today have everything. each generation seems to gain something that the old one has not, knowledge not being one of these things-hehe, I speak of material wealth, transportation and technology. I don't see where they have anything to complain about. Sure they are all being programmed, it was a shock to see it firsthand when I worked a job at an amusement park recently. They were much more straight forward, arrogant and open about their sex lives in public than anyone else I have seen before. I never heard any of them talk about responsibilities or obligations to family, they are focused on theirselves completely. It's their own fault and fault of the parents to let them be so brainwashed into pop culture, television and music, often their parents behave the same way and they do not see any difference, they don't now how people acted in the past, couteous,kind etc. Now they see all this get rich quick stuff, buy your suv, get your bling bling, talk all day on your cell phone. There is no depth to them and they don't care who they hurt as they attempt to elevate themselves to a higher position in order to buy more luxuries and then make fun of those they feel are inferior.The teens and many adults, need to wake up themselves if they want to live a different life and have different hobbies,morals and actually do something for their society and culture rather than exploit it to their benefit. The evil nature of the monetary system, I suppose, to some it is easy to gain money with no sense of the struggle everyone else is in, some gain money illegally and quickly, it's nothing to them, they do not have to contribute to society that way, they earn their living without giving anything back to society,their peers and their friends. I hate to say it, but this society in general focuses too much on the luxuries and looks too often to it's own immediate pleasure and mostly animal pleasures at the base level, instead of the pleasure one recieves by helping others or say building a bridge or maybe a dam that takes several years then you have a feeling of accomplishment, just 30 years ago, we did not have problems like these, like children getting weened on legal drugs, everyone had to chip in to survive. Another disturbing thing, is the Gangster Life, where it's suddenly ok to be a pimp, beat your whores and kill your countrymen over 5 dollars worth of cocaine. I guess I have become an 'old man.' haha anyway, thanks! -Lemec

                "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
                - Michael Moorcock

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                • #9
                  Please do so!

                  It's good to hear what young catholics think about this subject.
                  I will, though it may have to wait a bit. I'm on vacation this weekend and won't have access to a computer.

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                  • #10
                    Keele Wrote
                    I will, though it may have to wait a bit. I'm on vacation this weekend and won't have access to a computer.


                    Im just curious as to how your post was logged? (smoke signal)

                    I see the attitudes and social structure that the teens and young adults are developing today. If you blame everything on those children, you might as well piss the future into a pot and throw it out the window. I blame their dumb ass parents that have to live by interest rates and BMW leases. Lets see what makes more sense here, try and live by your means or try and live the "American Dream" like Bruce Dern in "Mddle Age Crazy".I know for a fact that a mother that stays home with her children and nurtures them through day to day problems, and walks them through every step of life creates a much healthier enviroment than a "latchkey child" lives in! Before I got married I sat down with my wife (now) and expressed my feelings towards raising children. I told her that I would settle for driving second hand cars and not have a cottage by the lake in order for her to provide my children with a loving caring mother and the security of knowing that they will always have one place in this world that they can call home and stay at any time to be warm, safe, Loved and never be hungry. Its a tradeoff that you cant deposit in a bank, and if anyone needs an explanation...you wouldnt understand anyway! I went to work everyday to support our family while my wife stayed home as full time mom.When I finished work my job was over except for fixing things around the house and vehicle maintenance but my wife went 24/7 as mom.I know that it is easier for a woman to go to work than to live with the day to day banterings and endless questions of infants.Believe me these women deserve recognition well beyond the scope of modern day ideoligies! In the same token if a couple cant afford to have one parent stay home then there is obviously no choice in the matter. But the Status Quo commercial image of a modern day middle aged family doesnt go into the details of heart conditions, mental conditions and marriage conditions of the poor lot who are running the treadmill at top speed in order to make monthly interest payments.Fuck the BMW's. If you make enough money to own such a car all the power to you, but dont die in the pusuit of one! I went to get some blueprints copied this week and the young fellow that approached me had a handful of fishing lures hanging from his nose, eyelids, lips and ears and his pants were half down his ass with checkered green boxer shorts underneath such as my Granpa wore.I thought " Oh no, here we go again Im at the mercy of a total dipshit" A voice in my head said "quit being shallow minded and give this twit a chance".I had to help the young fellow through the task but he actually did a good job.
                    My point here is that a lot of these kids might not have had any parental guidance whatsoever and need a little help.To turn our back on them and discard them entirely is the same as turning our back on ourselves. Who do you think will be running this country when we are old and feeble...the youth of today.Im not saying to stick up for criminal youths either,if they point a gun at you point one back!
                    DONT GIVE UP ON OUR KIDS
                    Last edited by voilodian ghagnasdiak; 06-17-2006, 12:40 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Did not Pete Seghers write in the seventies a song with as topic : Oh when the saints go marching in, i don' t want to be of their numbers ! "

                      If somebody would find the lyrics, i would be most happy ....

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                      • #12
                        I could not find that version of the song, just the one where they want to be of their numbers.

                        "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
                        - Michael Moorcock

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                        • #13
                          Oh how I want to be in those numbers....when the relevance comes marching in...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lemec
                            ......Another disturbing thing, is the Gangster Life, where it's suddenly ok to be a pimp, beat your whores and kill your countrymen over 5 dollars worth of cocaine. I guess I have become an 'old man.' haha anyway, thanks! -Lemec
                            I've only one episode, of the Stargate 9th season left to watch.
                            I find the Ori as a good allegory about fundamentalism today.
                            At least showing youth about the fallacies of religious authoritarianism,
                            or anything fundamentalistic for that matter. Which I think was a bold move.

                            All in all it seems, and I don't think I'm alone on this view, as though the postmodern world is exhausting itself on vain, meaningless and shallows persuits. Although I'm myself into it culturally, being a heavy metal musician and all.

                            A new enlightenment seems to be needed in which new, or renewed values and qualities come into being.

                            It's mildly funny, and a little disturbing, to see though that all the social researchers know whats going on, but they fail to see what it is that's coming around the bend.

                            I wonder if we have lost our historic thread?

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                            • #15
                              One of the problem is that fondamentalists mix everything with anything .....

                              rock and roll even in his latest ways is not satanic even if some metallist are .....

                              Free sex is not satanic or decadent or it is since the coming of man ..... true Love still less ....

                              And freedom of opinion and secularism are not the work of
                              satan but of enlightened reason ...

                              But what they fail to see is that puting all this on the market is leading to the alienation of man by himself ......to businness .....

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