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  • #16
    The definition of pornography, when it comes down to a legislative body, will always be in the hands of those that shout the loudest and longest....

    The problem I see with a .XXX domain is being mooted as a TLD for Adult Content. So, it would be possible (and one might argue probable in some states or countries) for a legislative body to define web content discussing abortion or contraception as containing adult content and thus force such sites to have a .xxx TLD.

    So I vote NO (based on the narrowness of the ICANN definition)
    Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker.
    Bakunin

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    • #17
      On second thought...are we talking about a domain where you would freely choose to register or one into which you would be forced? declan Mc Cullough seems to indicate the former but Leibermann's comment points to the latter.
      My vote was NO because I assumed it was the latter. If it's the former, no problem with me.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Groakes
        The problem I see with a .XXX domain is being mooted as a TLD for Adult Content. So, it would be possible (and one might argue probable in some states or countries) for a legislative body to define web content discussing abortion or contraception as containing adult content and thus force such sites to have a .xxx TLD.
        This would defeat the object as far as I'm concerned. People should be able to search for these topics without being snowed under by exploitative shite. Like try and find some information on safe sex and see what you get. We've had this problem at work with a social worker accused of accessing porn when they were just looking for educational material.

        Of course, as we have noted on the Playboy thread, the Left and Right's befuddled thoughts on the subject will probably wreck any chance of this working....
        \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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        • #19
          There's an old saying amongst internetworking engineers: "The network sees censorship as damage and will route around it".... The legislative bodies that will define the difference between "Adult Content" and "Adult "Entertainment"" will be the conservatives, or those who need conservative voting power...
          Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker.
          Bakunin

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          • #20
            Anyone self-righteous enough to think their definition of good and evil must be enforced on everyone else is de facto a conservative, whatever they claim...

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            • #21
              So long as it's with a small "C", that's fine!
              \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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              • #22
                fair enough :)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mordenkainen
                  Anyone self-righteous enough to think their definition of good and evil must be enforced on everyone else is de facto a conservative, whatever they claim...
                  That's the definition of the Republican Party, innit?
                  Madness is always the best armor against Reality

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                  • #24
                    I thought we were discussing the definition of porn, not moral absolutes. Absolute or not, for society to exist there needs to be some form of shared consensus about what sort of behaviour is acceptable and what is not.
                    With neoliberalism running rampant, anyone wishing to retain any vestiges of humane society may be technically termed 'conservative'. This doesn't apply to the Republican Party...
                    \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                    • #25
                      I don't think anyone would seriously compare you to the republicans :)
                      However, I see society as balanced rather than consensual. So if the left becomes less radical, society as a whole drifts to the right. Which is exactly what I believe has been happening lately. Being "realistic" and trying to keep things from getting worse, rather than make them better, has proved dangerous.
                      I don't see the Conservatives-with-a-capital-C watering down their moral absolutes to reach a social consensus on anything. And I don't think censorship needs yet more supporters than it already has. So I'll stay an inefficient idealist.

                      Still I understand your position and I respect it.

                      edit: badly written. I mean worse than now :D

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mikey_C
                        With neoliberalism running rampant, anyone wishing to retain any vestiges of humane society may be technically termed 'conservative'.
                        With the greatest respect, I don't think that I can agree with this. My experience is that "conservatives" attempt to maintain a status quo relative to their own position. More often than not in today's society, this relates to maintaining the status of their social or economic power. A conservative status quo could be seen to promote an exploitive relationship and therefore be at odds with a humane society.

                        I think a philosophy that addresses the inequalities between people and that tackles at the root such issues as the objectification of people and their transformation into consumable items (e.g. pornography) would be viewed as "radical" rather than "conservative"...
                        Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker.
                        Bakunin

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Groakes
                          I think a philosophy that addresses the inequalities between people and that tackles at the root such issues as the objectification of people and their transformation into consumable items (e.g. pornography) would be viewed as "radical" rather than "conservative"...
                          Well, it wasn't me who started using the term. I just felt it was being applied to me and wanted to point out that I wasn't particularly bothered.

                          What's in a label anyway? A "conservative" in Cuba is someone who defends the Revolution. What I think is worth hanging on to is basically the 'post-war settlement' - but that doesn't mean I don't think we deserve more than that.

                          All this is unrelated to the .xxx issue. My point was really that neither left nor right have really got a handle on this. I didn't actually think anyone was proposing censorship here, anyway. Are they?
                          \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                          • #28
                            Mordern - I don't believe it's an issue of the left getting less radical that has caused a rightward drift, but a Left being less successful in offering opposition.

                            There's a huge number of reasons for that, but not least among them, I think, was the move to identity and single-issue politics following the failure of the 60s/70s - i.e. when it stopped trying to appeal to the 'common man' and let the siren voices of Reaganomics and Thatcherism call them . . 'come to me, I will cut your taxes and set you free'.

                            Even more problematically, it was definitely true in the UK that a lot of identity politics caused direct conflicts with working class culture that the right wing media exploited. 'PC Loonies ban Bah Bah Black Sheep', etc.

                            The plus side, I guess, is that I think the identity politics achieved something - gay rights are probably further along than they would have been had 'the struggle' carried on being between workers and management.

                            I did think, when reading 'No Logo' - 'isn't this just good old class politics rediscovered?'.

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                            • #29
                              Oh my.

                              Intransigence regarding ethical absolutes is not something I require from anyone but myself. I'm also pretty aware of how pompous and arrogant that makes me sound.

                              My post was a reaction to Groakes' comment that "The legislative bodies that will define the difference between Adult Content and Adult Entertainment will be the conservatives, or those who need conservative voting power..."
                              I meant that whoever - Conservative or not - implemented such legislation would be implementing a conservative legislation. I did, of course, understand how that could apply to Mikey but only as far as the issue at hand goes, and only to some extent - depending on how authoritarian the measures he advocates would be, which I don't expect to be that much.
                              That's as far as you can get from an accusation of being a reactionary nutcase.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jules
                                Mordern - I don't believe it's an issue of the left getting less radical that has caused a rightward drift, but a Left being less successful in offering opposition.

                                There's a huge number of reasons for that, but not least among them, I think, was the move to identity and single-issue politics following the failure of the 60s/70s - i.e. when it stopped trying to appeal to the 'common man' and let the siren voices of Reaganomics and Thatcherism call them . . 'come to me, I will cut your taxes and set you free'.
                                What I meant is I tend to associate those changes with the adoption of realpolitik by the socialists. Identity and single-issue politics are seen as more realistic because they are more likely to have short or medium-term effects. The problem is what you describe: you find yourself having no project at all and lose appeal to the masses.

                                Even more problematically, it was definitely true in the UK that a lot of identity politics caused direct conflicts with working class culture that the right wing media exploited. 'PC Loonies ban Bah Bah Black Sheep', etc.
                                Similar changes in left wing policies have taken place in countries that never had such low-quality cultural products as Margaret Thatcher and The Sun (or if they did they never were even close to be as successful).


                                :2cents:

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