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  • Labour Wins Election!

    Ah well, another election, another win for Mr Blair! Whats worse is my 'hood(Edinburgh South) now has Nigel Griffiths of Labour. Ah well, at least it aint the Conservatives.

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    Hawklord wrote:
    Ah well, at least it aint the Conservatives.
    Too bloody right, young sir! I do feel slightly uneasy about compromising some fairly basic beliefs to vote for Labour (in this area we now have our first Labour MP ever!), but I well remember voting on the losing side throughout the 80s and most of the 90s. It was not a good time in many respects (just think, we had Thatcher and Spandau Ballet ).
    \"Killing me won\'t bring back your apples!\"

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    • #3
      Interesting win for George Galloway.
      \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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      • #4
        Labour took a bigger hit than I expected. While this may be good for combating Blair's plans for an national database (aka ID cards) and the anti-terror legislation, will he be as cautious as many people hope if he knows he's going to step down before the next election?

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        • #5
          I haven't looked at the breakdown and precise results of the election yet. Did the Tories make substantial gains at Labour's expense? Or did the smaller parties pick up support? Much as people are unhappy with Labour, substituting Tories for them strikes me as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, as the saying goes. (National Cliche Week is being observed here.)

          One (theoretical) way to rein in Labour is to put them into a position where they've got to build a coalition government in order to hold power. The Lib Dems are an obvious alternative possibility. Question is, would they help steer things towards sanity? Are they any better? Are there decent alternatives?

          Where is Groakes when I need him. We need an anarcho-syndicalist to weigh in on this subject. :lol:

          LSN

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          • #6
            The Lib Dems made the best progress - gaining seats. Michael Howard is out on his ear, and smiley Blair gets another term. I'm just glad all the campaigning (if you can call it that ) is finally over. We seem to have been subjected to endless tit-for-tat for months now... I did vote - even though I did note recieve a single piece of literature from any of my local candidates to inform me of their policys. I wouldn't recognise any of them if they came up to me in the street. Ah well, peace for another 4 years... :)

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            • #7
              Damn, damn, damn!

              Another pesky majority for ol' perma-grin Blair, his lying crew of master-propagandists, and his array of rotten boroughs- 37% of the vote and 60% of the seats. Even this current sorry excuse for a Conservative party would have been better than another term for this utterly despicable Labour government. Just hope that they find a genuinely top-notch leader this time - preferably one with Howard's brain and Hague's charisma. Shame that Ken Clarke is too old now.

              Meanwhile, the most honest of the three parties and the only one that seems to have a consistent set of ideals and principles gets 22% of the vote...and only 10% of the seats. Am I the only person to think that there's something seriously wrong here?

              And worst of all, Stanley Johnson didn't get in. Damn with a cherry on top! I was looking to him to provide some extra comic relief for the next few years.

              At least the Labour majority's slightly less ridiculous now - and the Monster Raving Loonies were out in force, which is always entertaining.

              Did anyone hear Galloway's speech? The man's a lunatic! For once, I found myself wishing that the Labour candidate had won!

              *Braces himself for another four years of the economy going down the plughole, the public services being drowned under a mass of paperwork, and our civil liberties being systematically stripped.*
              Arma virumque cano.

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              • #8
                'twas fantastic to see Blair cringe thoughm when he had to listen to that poor chap whose son died in the war speak, having taken 10% of the vote in Blair's own constituency.
                Arma virumque cano.

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                • #9
                  The worst news for me was the BNP gains, but it was good to see the Tories having set immigration on the agenda actually get nobbled by their own dope. By and large, I thought it was a pretty satisfactory balance and probably fairly reflects the general mood of people. From being a strong supporter of PR, I'm now not entirely sure there's an easy way of getting around the problem of PR, which is that it can let in the likes of Hitler, on occasions. Blair lost a large part of his own party vote over the war, which I think is also right and proper! I don't like him opr most of his cronies, but they are successful managers in most instances and that seems about the best we can hope for in these dark days... Or, at least, days made darker by those who prey on our fears.

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                  • #10
                    Overall, I'm happy with the results. A Tory win would have been an utter disaster - we have not yet recovered from the 18 years of their dark rule. With Blair's majority reduced, some of the dodgy legislation such as IDs may fall, and its a salutary reminder to the party that people do not vote Labour to fight illegal wars with right-wing US presidents.

                    I also wonder about PR. In our constituency (Hampshire East - I'm actually a suburban creature from 'over the hill') there is really no point in voting anything but Tory, as they'd elect a dog turd if it was wearing a blue rosette (indeed, they frequently do!) But there is the BNP factor. Fortunately, with the UKIP and now Veritas on the scene, the racist vote is now as split as that for the far left.

                    Unfortunately, I don't see Galloway's election as a victory for the left, as he carefully selected his constituency and appealed to the forces of religious communalism. Exactly why he has he won the Islamic vote, I'm not exactly sure, as his mate Saddam (he denies this vociferously, although he is now campaigning hard for the release of Saddam's right hand man Tariq Aziz - at whose palace the Gorgeous One used to stay during his visits to Baghdad) killed more Muslims the Ariel Sharon!
                    \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                    • #11
                      I wouldn't want to take a moralist stance, but I see from this morning's papers that Galloway has now split from his wife, as she has suspicions of him having been serially unfaithful to her, and has complained of his "lack of respect" for her. As he made great play of her Palestinian / Muslim credentials, the timing of the announcement appears fairly cynical. Hopefully, it'll guarantee his tenure in Bethnal Green is for a maximum of 5 years.

                      Kalessin - I just cannot understand how the Tories would have been any better than NuLab??? This was their chance to get at Labour when they were seriously down, and they fucked it up completely by assuming the British people were as vindictive and crass as the majority of their activists. When Blair goes, Labour activists will have the chance to grab the progressive, democratic Socialist initiative back. Wishful thinking maybe, but even the best of the Tories would be quite comfortable with Blair.
                      \"Killing me won\'t bring back your apples!\"

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                      • #12
                        A genuine victory for 'Old Labour' took place in Blaenau Gwent, where Independent Labour candidate Peter Law (sacked from his job as Welsh Assembly Environment Minister for opposing the Labour Whip) beat parachuted-in Blair babe Maggie Jones by 20,505 votes to 11,384! :D
                        \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                        • #13
                          As regards PR, I think it's worked pretty well in Scotland. The Holyrood parliament has a number of Green and Scottish Socialist Party politicians who wouldn't get in otherwise. (I have to say, I agree far more with the Green brand of socialism than the SSP's) I suppose it just depends on where the political centre of gravity is within a certain electorate.[/quote]

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
                            The worst news for me was the BNP gains, but it was good to see the Tories having set immigration on the agenda actually get nobbled by their own dope. By and large, I thought it was a pretty satisfactory balance and probably fairly reflects the general mood of people. From being a strong supporter of PR, I'm now not entirely sure there's an easy way of getting around the problem of PR, which is that it can let in the likes of Hitler, on occasions. Blair lost a large part of his own party vote over the war, which I think is also right and proper! I don't like him opr most of his cronies, but they are successful managers in most instances and that seems about the best we can hope for in these dark days... Or, at least, days made darker by those who prey on our fears.
                            PR?

                            We seem to be having the same contest here in Sweden between the Red(?) and Blue parties. The Blue(Conservatives?) seem to be gaining ground which is distressing in that they want to cut or lower healthcare and union activity and "collective contracts" for workers.
                            "Laziness" being the claim? :x

                            However I wanted some advice on certain books that seem interesting and wanted a few pointers. I was thinking of getting both The Prince & Utopia. I was thinking about an article i read in which Kropotkin argued against certain 'individualist' Darwinistic claims about "Survival of the Fittest" and that it's individual. I wonder which book or letter he argued for the claim that it's a group effort and not solely an individual one.

                            Any other books might be helpful!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Theocrat
                              I was thinking about an article i read in which Kropotkin argued against certain 'individualist' Darwinistic claims about "Survival of the Fittest" and that it's individual. I wonder which book or letter he argued for the claim that it's a group effort and not solely an individual one.

                              Any other books might be helpful!
                              That'll be Mutual Aid: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist...dcontents.html :D

                              And PR = Proportional Representation
                              \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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