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    Al-Jazerra did not play all of video. There are rumors of what else Osama said on the video. Here is the transcript of this rumor,

    "People of America, it does not matter whom you choose as president. Islam will prevail. We do not have to fight you; we merely have to let you destroy yourselves. The Great Satan is a monster that devours its children.

    "Slanderers claim that I represent an authoritarian form of Islam. But what has the freedom of the modern world done to your Christianity? Religion has died in Europe. You have done even worse. Like everything in the Greater America of globalization, you have turned religion into a consumer goods. Americans choose among 139 major brands of Christianity. Your old churches close for lack of worshippers, and you build new churches in shopping malls where religion is sold along with sausages.

    "You have made a modern world, and you brand us as relics of a tenebrous past. You say that we are violent, but you have raised your children in a nightmare of violence unlike anything the world has seen before. By the time an American child reaches the age of 18, he will have seen on television 40,000 murders and 200,000 other acts of violence.

    "Slanderers in your midst say that Islam oppresses women. Islam protects the modesty of women with purdah and the veil. You turn your women into whores. You cannot turn on your television without hearing a vulgar mention of sex every three minutes.

    "Not only do your children incessantly observe violence and sex, but you give them the means to play at it. The most popular computer game for American children, called Grand Theft Auto, encourages the player to buy relations with a prostitute and afterward beat her to death.

    "Slanderers in your midst claim that Islam promotes violence against women. Your worship of the flesh provokes women to commit violence against themselves. At American universities, two out of five female students starve themselves or vomit up their food in a perverse attempt to fit the criteria for sexual attractiveness established by your fashion industry.

    "Your evil will destroy your seed. It is not merely the fatherless and despised, the poor and outcast, who wither and perish in the contaminated soil of America, but the coddled offspring of your prosperous elites. You have given your young people freedom, but it has only brought them misery. You have depraved them with your false promise of freedoms and left them with nothing but terror of the world, to the point that one in six of your university students suffers a mental illness.

    "People of America, your leaders falsely tell you that jihadis love death rather than life. It is true that life to us means more than the material existence on this Earth, but also life everlasting - but did not your prophets tell you the same thing? If we hate life, why do we have more children than you? The population of the Arab world doubled during the 20 years between 1978 and 1998, and between 1998 and 2010 will have grown by yet another third.

    "It is you, not us, who foster a culture of death. Where in the Muslim world can you find a form of music such as 'death metal', which revels in the putrefaction of human flesh? Groups with names like Cannibal Corpse have sold scores of millions of records. This, O Americans, is the blessing progress which you propose in your benevolence to bestow upon Muslim youth? It would be better to learn from us how to cut a flute from a reed.

    "One candidate tells you that he will enlist foreign allies in your crusade against us. These supposed allies are the ones who love death. In half a century the number of Europeans will fall by 50 million, because the Europeans no longer love life enough to bring new life into this world. Three hundred and twenty years ago a Muslim army stood before the gates of Vienna, and Europe barely escaped conversion to the true faith at swordpoint. During the next half-century Muslims will wander into Europe and replenish the half-empty towns with people, and the sound of children's voices once again will be heard - but in Arabic.

    "Because they hate life, your supposed allies are cowards. Half a millennium ago the Spanish empire drove Islam from its territory; this year a few bombs at a railway station panicked the pathetic remnants of Spain into retreat from Iraq. You are fools to count on them. Even the Zionist Bernard Lewis admits that Islam will prevail in Europe before the end of this century.

    "People of America, your soldiers are brave but your leaders are fools. You tremble at the loss of a thousand lives in Iraq. Perhaps with another thousand, and a thousand more, you will establish the peace of the cemetery in the cities of the Mesopotamian plain for another month or another year. We do not think in terms of next month, or next year. We look with hope and resolution toward the victory of our children's children, who will dominate Europe. Their children's children will dominate America.

    "Abandon the false hope of freedom and submit to Allah. You cannot go back to the traditional life of your forefathers, because the monster of globalization has plowed it under. Not an American in 20 could find his way back to the village of his great-grandfather. You cannot go forward, because your souls are too weak to find a way through the pitfalls of the modern world. Like the Europeans, you too will become weary of life, weary of raising children, weary of your mastery - and the world will belong to us.

    "Have a nice day."

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    Re: Rumors of what else was said on the Osama video

    Originally posted by Galadriel
    It is you, not us, who foster a culture of death. Where in the Muslim world can you find a form of music such as 'death metal', which revels in the putrefaction of human flesh? Groups with names like Cannibal Corpse have sold scores of millions of records.

    Christ! someone had better tell George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher! He's owed some serious royalties!

    The whole Idea that this is written by anyone but an American is quite frankly, ridiculous.
    \"It got worse. He needed something to cure himself. What? he asked. M-A 19 he answered.\"

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    • #3
      I know it is strange. I found this out an article saying this at the Asia Times website.

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      • #4
        Islam is roughly the same age as Christianity was when Europe came out of the medieval period. It seems to be following roughly the same trend, with fundamentalist groups becoming more severe in their interpretation of God's word. Unfortunately, they have more technology at their disposal. Good job Europeans in the middle ages didn't have more. There probably wouldn't be anyone left in the New World of non-European ancestry.
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        • #5
          Sounds more like the Agenda's of the religious right rather than Osama!

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          • #6
            Now that you mention it they do have certain similarities of thought. Totally different goals though. I would think that both visions of an ideal world would be anathema to one another.
            However many similarities an unbiased observer might see!
            You see, it's... it's no good, Montag. We've all got to be alike. The only way to be happy is for everyone to be made equal.

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            • #7
              By a strange synchronicity (aren't they all, though?), I came across this link -

              http://www.kliconsulting.com/wmd/UBL_Demon.jpg

              straight after finishing my last post!
              You see, it's... it's no good, Montag. We've all got to be alike. The only way to be happy is for everyone to be made equal.

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              • #8
                I just dig that word tenebrous. So Lovecraftian.

                Was that piece written by Melanie Phillips, by the way?
                \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                • #9
                  I really dont think Osama Is reading Electronic Gaming Monthly in his cave.

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                  • #10
                    Well McTal, it's weird enough that he's watching Michael Moore movies! I don't know that he's really in a cave though, he looks remarkably healthy and apparently has access to so pretty high tech media gadgets.

                    Theocrat writes: "Sounds more like the Agenda's of the religious right rather than Osama!"

                    er, what's the difference between those two agendas? Both sets of fundamentalists desperately need each other to keep Armagedon at the top of the charts.

                    I disagree with it sounding like the religious right though, it reminds me more of some rather dogmatic leftie extremists. That's my theory too on who wrote it and what they're trying to do. It's lefties putting words in Osama's mouth to explain why his actions are "our" fault.

                    I actually agree with some of the points, but the deceitful method of dissiminating them by cannonizing a murderer shows what extremism does with the best of intentions.

                    Remeber that e-mail that went around about Afghanistan just prior to the U.S. invasion that spoke of the horrors there, and how the author's name would change after you'd received it a few dozen times? This smacks of the same type of thing...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheAdlerian
                      I believe many of his problems stem from the fact that a thin crust pizza was not offered anywhere in Mesopotamia.
                      He was more specific than that - he complained that there was no 24h delivery service.

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                      • #12
                        I can certainly understand UBL's frustration on that score..... :twisted:


                        He is, however, completely wrong on the sacred matter of.....errr.. Twizzlers. The cherry ones are actually the most popular flavour....this, despite the fact that the strawberry ones do taste better. 8)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dead-Air
                          Theocrat writes: "Sounds more like the Agenda's of the religious right rather than Osama!"

                          er, what's the difference between those two agendas? Both sets of fundamentalists desperately need each other to keep Armagedon at the top of the charts.
                          Yeah! i caught myself in the act when i revised the posting..
                          Funda'mental'ists=Schumdamentalists
                          That they're now two factions of fundamentalists on both sides of the atlantic is scarry! 8O

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                          • #14
                            If this is what he realy said I kind of think it is strange he knows about Michael Moore's movie, what is on tv, rock music, and video games.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Galadriel
                              I kind of think it is strange he knows about Michael Moore's movie, what is on tv, rock music, and video games.
                              Why do you think it strange?
                              I live in Italy but I can find out the latest US sports results or the weather in Jakarta. I can buy a book in Swedish and have it sent to a friend in Brazil and I can even join a forum based in the States with members from around the world. :)
                              Why do you think Osama (who happens to be quite rich) couldn't have access to this technology?

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