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  • L'Etranger
    Veteran Moorcockista
    • Dec 2003
    • 4772

    #16
    The Stiff Upper Lip is a prison, isn't it?

    I often felt many Britons were sort of imprisoned in a very tight fitting emotional corset that forbade them to show pain, anguish, sorrow. I felt their upbringing rather compelled to make a joke about their situation. And having that centuries of practice in self-ironizing they became the world champions. Friend of mine admitted to having cried when his baby was finally born and he held it in his arms after so many years of futile attempts to have one. And then he seemed terrified for having admitted to this instead of complying "with the rules", the upbringing. And I told him it must hhave been beautiful to see him so authentic and close to his real feelings.
    I guess it must be changing, but often I felt sorry for this "carcel", yet of course envied the great sense of numour. Maybe it is far-fetched, and even if you think that there was much hypocrisy around the event, but I felt that it became more acceptable to show personal feelings after the death of Diana Wales. I maybe completely wrong, but it is my impression.
    Maybe the often described cynism is related to it, but my own British friends were never cynical. I will punch anyone who claimed the opposite.
    Last edited by L'Etranger; 08-02-2012, 01:20 PM.
    Google ergo sum

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    • Heresiologist
      Mothra Worshipper
      • Jan 2012
      • 1009

      #17
      Well. Canadians are supposed to be polite and have a self-deprecating sense of humour, but see how rude that humour can be:
      Canada could have been a great nation. It could have had British manners, French cuisine and American know-how.

      Instead it got British cuisine, French know-how and American manners.
      Actually that one still makes me chuckle. Backhanded self-deprecation I suppose. Sorry!


      ------
      Also, Zlog? Please tell me that it's okay to like Pele.
      Last edited by Heresiologist; 08-03-2012, 12:32 AM.

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      • zlogdan
        Hex data reader and professional pawn
        • Mar 2012
        • 1931

        #18
        Originally posted by Heresiologist View Post
        ------
        Also, Zlog? Please tell me that it's okay to like Pele.
        Sure it is pal, I keep forgetting the KING of soccer. That dude is a magical guy. He was a genius. I am just too annoyed by the current status of soccer that I keep forgetting the past, which was awesome. I quite like to complain about soccer these days, but I loved the game.

        Pele's actual name is Edson and when Pele is being interviewed he always talks about Pele in the third person. He was asked why, and he said "I am actually Edson Arantes do Nascimento, Pele is a character, it is beyond, it is a myth".
        "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
        "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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        • zlogdan
          Hex data reader and professional pawn
          • Mar 2012
          • 1931

          #19
          Brazil's pros:

          - women
          - Lima Barreto, Guimaraes Rosa, Braulio Tavares ( writers )
          - D. Pedro II ( our second monarch )
          - Alberto Santos-Dumont
          - Pele, Garrincha, Zico, Neto and Corinthians ( my team )
          - Nature
          - The people from the country side ( part of course, half are as vile as any rich capitalist )
          - Airton Senna
          - Guaranل
          - Brazilian thrash metal bands
          - Titمs, Violeta de Outono, Egberto Gismonti
          - Brazilian art of acoustic guitar playing
          - Brazilian universities, USP, UNESP and UNICAMP
          - Petrobras, Imetro
          - Ellite Squad I and II
          - City of God
          - We have a woman as a president, and despite the fact I hate her party, I think she is a fine woman, who can deal well with the political game.
          - All the Neil Gaiman works were published here
          - Same for Stephen King
          - My father, my brothers, my wife and my kids
          - kindness of strangers, when I am really pissed off with our folks here I always meet someone that shows me that at least part of us, a good percentage I pray, are good people.
          - C/C++ programmers from Brazil, we rock you know :-)
          "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
          "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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          • L'Etranger
            Veteran Moorcockista
            • Dec 2003
            • 4772

            #20
            Joubert de Cavalho's Maringل ...!

            Not only a wonderful song, but also so wonderfully Brasilian to name new founded city after a popular song. Now a considerably large place.
            Last edited by L'Etranger; 08-03-2012, 06:20 AM.
            Google ergo sum

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            • Robin
              Citizen of Tanelorn
              • Apr 2011
              • 235

              #21
              Pro : Scotland gave television to the world.
              Con : Scotland gave television to the world.

              Pro : Rich cultural heritage
              Con : Rich cultural heritage displaced by twee shortbread tin culture, then ignored by all.

              As far as "British" goes, I don't think there is much of a British culture except where the word British is used wrongly instead of English (which is sad, and I would still say it was sad if I was English - it seems to be hard for someone to say they are proud to be English without being accused of being a nasty racist xenophobe and that's bad, there's a lot to be genuinely proud of if you're English)

              We (ie. the Scots) have more in common, culturally, with the Irish than we do with anyone actually living on the island of Great Britain - in my own case, the only people outside Scotland who understand the way I speak properly are the Ulster Scots (curiously, better even than the average Glaswegian).

              And, even within Scotland, traditional highland culture is a very different beastie to traditional lowland culture. Another major downside is that we have an inferiority complex about it - although :

              "Is there for honest poverty
              That hings his head, an' a' that?
              The coward slave, we pass him by --
              We dare be poor for a' that!
              For a' that, an' a' that,
              Our toils obscure, an' a' that,
              The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
              The man's the gowd for a' that.

              What though on hamely fare we dine,
              Wear hoddin grey, an' a' that?
              Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine --
              A man's a man for a' that.
              For a' that, an' a' that,
              Their tinsel show, an' a' that,
              The honest man, tho' e'er sae poor,
              Is king o' men for a' that.

              Ye see yon birkie ca'd 'a lord,'
              Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that?
              Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
              He's but a cuif for a' that.
              For a' that, an' a' that,
              His ribband, star, an' a' that,
              The man o' independent mind,
              He looks an' laughs at a' that.

              A prince can mak a belted knight,
              A marquis, duke, an' a' that!
              But an honest man's aboon his might --
              Guid faith, he mauna fa' that!
              For a' that, an' a' that,
              Their dignities, an' a' that,
              The pith o' sense an' pride o' worth
              Are higher rank than a' that.

              Then let us pray that come it may
              (As come it will for a' that)
              That Sense and Worth o'er a' the earth
              Shall bear the gree an' a' that!
              For a' that, an' a' that,
              It's comin yet for a' that,
              That man to man the world o'er
              Shall brithers be for a' that. "

              I'll take Burns over Shakespeare any day and not just because I find it much easier to understand the language - Burns was an Ayrshireman like me (also like me, a Robert who was known as Robin - NOT Rabbie or Robbie) and he talked exactly like my grannie, who I spent more time with than my parents when I was wee. However, that's just me so :

              "Is there for honest poverty
              That hangs his head, and all that?
              The coward slave, we pass him by -
              We dare be poor for all that!
              For all that, and all that,
              Our toils obscure, and all that,
              The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
              The man's the gold for all that.

              What though on homely fare we dine,
              Wear course grey woolen, and all that?
              Give fools their silks, and knaves their wine -
              A man is a man for all that.
              For all that, and all that,
              Their tinsel show, and all that,
              The honest man, though ever so poor,
              Is king of men for all that.

              You see yonder fellow called 'a lord,'
              Who struts, and stares, and all that?
              Though hundreds worship at his word,
              He is but a dolt for all that.
              For all that, and all that,
              His ribboned star, and all that,
              The man of independent mind,
              He looks and laughs at all that.

              A prince can make a belted knight,
              A marquis, duke, and all that!
              But an honest man is above his might -
              Good faith, he must not fault that
              For all that, and all that,
              Their dignities, and all that,
              The pith of sense and pride of worth
              Are higher rank than all that.

              Then let us pray that come it may
              (As come it will for all that)
              That Sense and Worth over all the earth
              Shall have the first place and all that!
              For all that, and all that,
              It is coming yet for all that,
              That man to man the world over
              Shall brothers be for all that."

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              • zlogdan
                Hex data reader and professional pawn
                • Mar 2012
                • 1931

                #22
                Originally posted by L'Etranger View Post
                Joubert de Cavalho's Maringل ...!

                Not only a wonderful song, but also so wonderfully Brasilِian to name new founded city after a popular song. Now a considerably large place.
                The wife of the owner of the apartment we are renting, we are moving tomorrow, is from Maringa.
                "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
                "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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                • Wanderlust
                  Lemon Curry?
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 3627

                  #23
                  DING! H, you heard your bell ringing. Gawd, where to begin with our once decent country . . . .

                  How about our reform-tories considering lighthouses (a bloody integral part of Canadian history) so much surplus? Sacking archaeologists, gathering up findings from all over the country and storing them in Ottawa. Sacking national parks workers, and attempting even to sell sections of national parks to corporations.

                  All under the guise of being strong on heritage.

                  I want my ing country back!

                  Edit --- Obvious to anyone following changes in Canada's behaviour of late, I could go on endlessly. But I'm having some cousins up from New England today to spread some of their sister's ashes, and I'd like to keep a semi-grin on my gob.
                  Last edited by Wanderlust; 08-05-2012, 09:20 AM.
                  Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.

                  ~Henry David Thoreau

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                  • Morgan Kane
                    Lost in the multiverse
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 1428

                    #24
                    France

                    France is a wonderfull country for many reasons but

                    -french are often arrogant...
                    -mostly french don't like french and don't belive any more in France and in her values ....

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                    • Pietro_Mercurios
                      Eternal Champion
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 5800

                      #25
                      What's great about Britain?

                      Last night Team GB won 3 gold medals in the Olympic stadium.

                      The first was won by a young woman from Sheffield of mixed British and Jamaican parentage.

                      The second was won by an Englishmen of apparent Celtic descent.

                      The third was won by a Somalian born Muslim who came to the UK at the age of 8 and who has been based in Hackney, a mile or so from the Olympic park ever since.

                      They're all British.

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                      • Guzzlecrank
                        Reconstructulator
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 1234

                        #26
                        USA :
                        1. Neighborhood bars in the Bronx, where the fine art of the New York insult is always on display.
                        2. Horseback rides in the desert west.
                        3. Mexican-American restaurants, taquerias and cantinas from coast to coast.
                        4. Our democratic music: folk, blues, country, jazz, rock, hip-hop...
                        5. The ethnic spectrum of the populations in our big cities: NY, LA, Houston, Miami, Chicago...

                        USA :
                        1. The gordian knot that ties our health insurance industry to our health care industry.
                        2. Our overtly corrupt two-party political system.
                        3. The gap between rich and poor, expanding as the middle classes are relentlessly divested of assets (see #1-#2, supra).
                        4. The scope and power of our police forces.
                        5. Our addiction to war.

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                        • Pietro_Mercurios
                          Eternal Champion
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 5800

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Guzzlecrank View Post
                          USA :
                          1. The gordian knot that ties our health insurance industry to our health care industry.
                          2. Our overtly corrupt two-party political system.
                          3. The gap between rich and poor, expanding as the middle classes are relentlessly divested of assets (see #1-#2, supra).
                          4. The scope and power of our police forces.
                          5. Our addiction to war.
                          Can I take the liberty of adding a 6th point Guzz?

                          6. Sad, inadequate little sh*tehawks with guns who murder strangers.

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                          • Kymba334
                            Eternal Champion
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 3167

                            #28
                            ...

                            Australia, the Cons: Dumb Drunk Racist Thugs...( not all of us.)
                            The Political elites here are a nightmare.
                            The Pros: Some good rock music.Drop Bears....()
                            Mwana wa simba ni simba

                            The child of a lion is also a lion - Swahili Wisdom

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                            • Guzzlecrank
                              Reconstructulator
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 1234

                              #29
                              Originally posted by porcus_volans View Post
                              Can I take the liberty of adding a 6th point Guzz?

                              6. Sad, inadequate little sh*tehawks with guns who murder strangers.
                              Not a whit of argument from me, PV! That particular type of asshole invariably picks targets who have the least opportunities to fight back.

                              But, for balance's sake, I'll add a that will probably get no disagreement from this crowd:

                              6. Homegrown.

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                              • zlogdan
                                Hex data reader and professional pawn
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 1931

                                #30
                                Brazil's cons:

                                - Samba and anything related
                                - 2000 and above soccer teams
                                - Brazilian funk ( to call it funk is to offend the American music genre )
                                - Sertanejo ( Brazilian country music )
                                - Anyone who blindly adores all the above
                                - Our politicians
                                - Sugar cane and related industry
                                - Sao Paulo big area city
                                - Hypocrisy
                                - Music, literature, films journalists.
                                - Brazilian printed press ( Veja, Folha de SP, etc )
                                - Brazilian music labels
                                - Crime
                                - A perfect law that is not followed by justice powers.
                                - 50% of the people here. They really believe that anything you do for your self is worth, no matter how, why and if it affects other people. They say the world is for the smart.
                                - Poverty
                                - Illiteracy
                                - 95 % of the films made here.
                                Last edited by zlogdan; 08-08-2012, 10:41 AM.
                                "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
                                "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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