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Puzzled by the Primaries

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  • #31
    And don't forget, everyone: there are other, small parties--right, left and center--hard at work in the USA. If you agree with one of their platforms more than you agree with either of the platforms of the majors and you want to vote for one of the minors' candidates, then don't believe it when somebody tells you you're "just throwing away" your vote. You're not. If you capitulate to that bulldozer argument, then you've conceded one of your rights to a corrupted form of Law!

    By the way, I had forgotten that there's a parody of Newt Gingrich (from back in the "Contract with America" era) in issue 4 of the Michael Moorcock's Multiverse comic--he's in the "Icehead Shed." Stumbled across that panel at random tonight!


    • #32
      nobody, it's a shame about Huntsman because he gives me the feeling that he is a man of his principles when it comes to their core but that he is flexible enough to work with others and compromise on issues as long as they don't clash with his base beliefs. He's also shown he's solid enough to stick to his guns and not pander to the electorate. He's the kind of man a good third party could be built around.

      Unfortunately the two parties in power have made it nearly impossible for a third party to gain tracttion. Election laws in almost efvery state make it hard to gain the ballot and remain there. In my home tate of PA a third party candidate must have 10xs as any signatures to get on the ballot than the Dems or the GOP and their candidates must attract a certain percentae of the votes to be able to remain there on future ones. Usually not a problem when you have a charismatic person such as Ross Perot or John Anderson at the top but kind of hard to do wien you are trying to build respectable party from the base up with local and state candidates for offices noone even thinks about. The deck is stacked against them.

      That can be seen in the latest redistricting map in PA. The GOP was in charge and in order to protect a vulnerable House seat with a freshman rep they took his district, which was basically a compact block of urban and suburban neighborhoods near the edge of Philly and made a gigantic horse shoe of it that stretches up past Philly on one side,swings down to the DE border and crawls along that and the Maryland border then swings north again through the edge of rural PA Dutch country and up in to places where people still cut cords of wood as a main supply of heat in the winter. There ain't nothing similar about these areas except for one, they usually vote Republican. Somehow this congressman is now supposed to represent a district with at least 4 widely varied living situations and values just because the GOP wanted to safe the seat. It puts the word gerrymander to shame. One reporter called it a slime mold district. Another reporter described it best. According to him politician and representatives are picking their voters rather than vice versa. Given this kind of bullshit it makes it very tough for third parties to make much headway.

      Man spends his time on devising a more idiot proof computer. The universe spends its time devising bigger idiots. So far the universe is winning.


      • #33
        Interesting and valid points on the two-party system, gentlemen. What about one single strong and well-established independent third party?

        In Scotland there is a 4th party - the Scottish Nationalists and this seems to create a more dynamic system. The problem with three parties is that the people who cannot bring themselves to support the two dominant parties wvote for the third party. With four parties the sistuation os far more fluid and nothing can be taken for granted Basically all the parties cannot take the vote for granted and have to work harder to keep the voters' interest.

        Certainly elections in Scotland are far more lively than ones in England having a 4th (credible) party involved.


        • #34
          The Ramp-up to Nowhere

          Originally posted by opaloka View Post
          IMO the current primaries are like a circus sideshow - the performers are all ridiculous. They seem to be foculsing on rhetorical wins and moral superiority instead of policy which is what might appeal to their extreme base. So it is all about the dirt, not policies they'd realistically be able to hold as President. Policies don't work to get their base motivated.
          Agreed. The main intent of this primary season is for the potential candidates to get themselves into the news, and stay in the news in hopes of generating buzz among the public. It's not unlike a marketing plan designed to build anticipation for the release of a product.