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  • Originally posted by Papi View Post
    Ah, the Monty Python !...
    And now, something for...
    ... different.
    Quelle bonne idée!
    Come in, you're most welcome, but leave Envy at my castle's gates ... for it is a poison we are unable to cure, and you'd be its first sad victim yourself.


    • Originally posted by EVIL INC View Post
      Talisant, the only ones "tarred" are the ones with the guilty consciences. Those who wish to freely allow murder and crime with no repercussions or detterrants might not ALL wish to tear down society. In those sorts of environments where there are no laws there will still be a society. Regardless of what the environment, there will always be a "society". The difference is do you want one where the citizens can be safe?
      As for war, some may feel that it is murder. This is especially so if the person feels they should not be in the war to begin with, but that is a different story altogether. Then again, there is the matter of self defence. If you feel it is not ok to kill someone who is trying to kill you, be my guest. I will follow the instinct that God put into me and defend myself.
      In your words to V.A., I see that you believe that NO killing is EVER ok. I take it that you think that God him/herself is wrong? I have never read the bible from cover to cover but I have read enough to see that he/she has condoned many deaths and "personally" killed many times. Not that I am say, we are Gods equal of course but many of the deaths condoned in the bible were done by man/woman.
      Of course, I will also not consider myself to be God and pass judgements on the right or wrongness of other humans or governments (I believe that only God has the right to officially declare who is going to heaven/hell) as that too would be blasphemy in my eyes.
      But E I, you in fact did "tar" whoever you were referring to as "anarchists" and others in your earlier post, and were in deed passing judgement on "their" philosophy and actions as portrayed by you. My reply merely extended the logic of your statement to what appears to me to be an accurate perimeter of inclusion.

      I have read the Bible through a few times. Different parts of it may speak louder to one at different times, but picking this or that portion of it to vadlidate one's own willful preference and agenda would appear to me to be , in religious terms, hubristic blasphemy.

      If God gives one his conscience, and for example, one's conscience tells him that no killing is ok, and one seriously studies what his conscience tells him, puts his best mind and heart on it, and one sees the wisdom of his conscience after lengthy consideration and study, not merely the quick passion of emotion, or the easy path of platitudes, then how is this saying God is wrong?
      "A man is no man who cannot have a fried mackerel when he has set his mind on it; and more especially when he has money in his pocket to pay for it." - E.A. Poe's NICHOLAS DUNKS; OR, FRIED MACKEREL FOR DINNER


      • I see that this thread that I started has reached a stage that doesn't promise any reconcilability.
        It has exhausted its worth as a topic for debate, there's no development, all's been said, and in some cases definitely even too much has been said. I left earlier after being taken totally aback by certain statements and now I have come back to lock this, because if GOD is called upon for support then things quickly turn very nasty and do more damage than any gain that could come out of such a discussion.
        Last edited by L'Etranger; 10-01-2009, 12:41 PM.
        Google ergo sum