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Hitler : The Rise Of Evil?

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  • #46
    Do you guys want to end this thread? Since it was i who started it on the hopes of real political/historical and social debate. Not towards the runner-up of slander and misinformation which this topic usually attracts.

    I wonder what it is with socialism and the dream of utopia which drives so many people towards the brink of destruction. We are all to different to be apart of such a non-existent world.

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    • #47
      Hi,anybody up?LEtranger,anybody.I have a few questions.Can anyone offer some history on Hitlers parents?Was his beliefs more a product of nature or nurture.Which country was most instrumental in Hitlers defeat.I know it was a combined effort.However would Hitlers army have been victorius if a certain country had surrendered,or decided not to enter the fray.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Theocrat
        Do you guys want to end this thread? Since it was i who started it on the hopes of real political/historical and social debate. Not towards the runner-up of slander and misinformation which this topic usually attracts.

        I wonder what it is with socialism and the dream of utopia which drives so many people towards the brink of destruction. We are all to different to be apart of such a non-existent world.
        Speaking for myself, I've enjoyed this thread and learned something. I would hate to think that a few people with nothing better to do than disrupt message boards would end our discussions.

        As for the second part of your post...

        Utopias are always ideals that society cannot realize, because people are imperfect. Some choose to work toward the ideal anyway. I think these are the people who are largely driven to make the world better, even if they don't really believe it can be perfect. Some people fear ideals, or maybe what they stand for, and choose a path of destruction. It's easier to tear down things than build them, so I see that as the easy way out. Always.

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        • #49
          "FWIW, that "you're" and "your" thing really burns me. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt and consider it a typo... until I need to beat down some ignorant troll."

          I know the feeling about having a "pet peeve". I get my panties all in a wad listening to ath-a-letes (primarily) abuse the English language, particularly "myself".

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Bill
            "FWIW, that "you're" and "your" thing really burns me. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt and consider it a typo... until I need to beat down some ignorant troll."

            I know the feeling about having a "pet peeve". I get my panties all in a wad listening to ath-a-letes (primarily) abuse the English language, particularly "myself".
            Take it easy Bill. Language, as well as written, is always changing and there's nothing either you or i can do...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JohnnyBlaze
              Hi,anybody up?LEtranger,anybody.I have a few questions.Can anyone offer some history on Hitlers parents?Was his beliefs more a product of nature or nurture.Which country was most instrumental in Hitlers defeat.I know it was a combined effort.However would Hitlers army have been victorius if a certain country had surrendered,or decided not to enter the fray.
              ================================================== === Adolfs father was a bastard,in the truest sense of the word.He married three times.His third marriage produced Adolf.He was a strict disciplinarian and demanded perfection from his children.He died,when Adolf was only thirteen.Adolfs mother was a gentle woman and spoiled her children.She died four years after her husband.Adolf Hitler,was an orphan at seventeen.======================================== ================ As we all are,Adolf was formed from his environment.====================================== ================ Adolf Hitler,was instrumental in defeating Adolf Hitler.=========================================== ================ Though,not asked.Adolf Hitler was not a vegetarian because he loved animals,or because he had bad guts.He became a vegetarian,after his lover committed suicide.He said,meat reminded him of her corpse.

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              • #52
                "As we all are, Adolf was formed from his environment."

                Good. Now that that whole, ugly "nature vs. nuture" argument is settled...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Bill
                  "As we all are, Adolf was formed from his environment."

                  Good. Now that that whole, ugly "nature vs. nuture" argument is settled...
                  I'm also out of a job. Dammit, I knew I couldn't maintain the confusion over that issue forever. :)

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by JohnnyBlaze
                    Which country was most instrumental in Hitlers defeat.I know it was a combined effort.However would Hitlers army have been victorius if a certain country had surrendered,or decided not to enter the fray.
                    I think the Soviet Union bore most of the burden in Hitlerآ´s defeat. Sadly, this did mean that they could "liberate" the Eastern Europe after the Germans retreated.

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                    • #55
                      Thanks to both of you for your thoughts and facts.And for taking the time to respond.~~~Johnny

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                      • #56
                        if germany hadn't lost the war and won... the economy would surely have collapsed. It was based on 'War', and not peacetimes. It wasn't to be a powerful trade-economy either.

                        What are your thoughts on this?

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                        • #57
                          Theocrat - I think the Greater German Reich economy would not have collapsed (not for a long time anyway). Assuming it extended up to the Urals (if I remember rightly, the was the goal), the physical resources at it's disposal would have been enormous!

                          However, I think the rampant corruption and bureaucratic chaos prevalent in the Reich would have caused serious economic stagnation, causing it to fall way behind the USA.

                          Robert Harris' Fatherland provides an excellent glimpse into an alternate history along these lines - highly recommended.

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                          • #58
                            I would like to endorse REAVE's opinion. Firstly on Richard Harris' excellent book, but also on his assessment of the Reich's future if the Nazis had won the war (in Europe). In addition to most likely corruption the "removal of a rivalling" system - an enemy to point at and to compete with - would have gradually allowed the conquerors themselves to soften up and fall out with eachother eventually.
                            In a way this is what is going on after the fall of the Soviet empire, and communism - there's no competing social modell ...
                            We are, however, quite grateful in most cases that things went the way they did.
                            Google ergo sum

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                            • #59
                              Wouldn't it be true to say that the current US economy is predicated on war?

                              And didn't the US at the time of WW2 actually have official racial segregation?
                              And weren't her allies, the British Empire and the Communist USSR, oppressive regimes with scant respect for any democracy among their 'subjects'?

                              The problem is that Hitler has been de-historicised and turned into a mythic monster by the Moral Media [hence the constant use of the term 'Evil'] of the 'Western World' [west of what?].

                              When our present Western 'democrats' want to justify their genocidal greed, they usually compare their enemies to the Hitler-Myth that they have cultivated for so long.
                              See King Bush II's speech-writer's 'Axis of Evil' for a prime example.

                              Let's try to de-mythologise all these things.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Moody
                                Wouldn't it be true to say that the current US economy is predicated on war?

                                And didn't the US at the time of WW2 actually have official racial segregation?
                                And weren't her allies, the British Empire and the Communist USSR, oppressive regimes with scant respect for any democracy among their 'subjects'?

                                The problem is that Hitler has been de-historicised and turned into a mythic monster by the Moral Media [hence the constant use of the term 'Evil'] of the 'Western World' [west of what?].

                                When our present Western 'democrats' want to justify their genocidal greed, they usually compare their enemies to the Hitler-Myth that they have cultivated for so long.
                                See King Bush II's speech-writer's 'Axis of Evil' for a prime example.

                                Let's try to de-mythologise all these things.
                                I agree with all of this, except for your first statement.

                                The US economy is built strictly on consumerism, not war. Remember, W told us to spend, spend, spend after 9/11. That's how we could know that the terrorists won.

                                More seriously, though, consumer goods are the bedrock of the US economy. Most indicative of this is that Wal-Mart has more impact on the general US economy than any other corporation. Even Haliburton.

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