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  • J-Sun
    Priest of Nadsokor
    • Dec 2007
    • 2173

    #16
    Originally posted by devilchicken View Post
    Some of the bailout money is being paid back already. There was a story last night that 10 US banks are wanting to pay back $62 billion so that they can be competitive again and not have to worry about justifying how much they pay their executives.

    Of course $62 billion is a fairly small piece of what was invested...
    It`s a great start, and I`m sad to say that it stunned me. It sounded so... responsible. Like waking up in the right dimension for once. Remakrably encouraging.
    "Self-discipline and self-knowledge are the key. An individual becomes a unique universe, able to move at will through all the scales of the multiverse - potentially able to control the immediate reality of every scale, every encountered environment."
    --Contessa Rose von Bek, Blood part 4, chapter 12

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    • johneffay
      Born Again Nihilist
      • Sep 2005
      • 3394

      #17
      Originally posted by J-Sun View Post
      It`s a great start, and I`m sad to say that it stunned me. It sounded so... responsible. Like waking up in the right dimension for once. Remakrably encouraging.
      The more cynical amongst us might think that it's just a drop in the ocean designed to keep the government off their backs. If the government try to reign in their behaviour, they can say "But look how responsible we are: we have already paid back some money!"

      Here in the UK, we have just seen a similar thing with Lloyds Bank. Compare and contrast these two news stories:

      Monday
      Lloyds set to pay back taxpayers

      Tuesday
      Lloyds Banking Group is cutting about 1,660 jobs after deciding to close all Cheltenham & Gloucester branches and overhauling its loan and mortgage arms

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      • J-Sun
        Priest of Nadsokor
        • Dec 2007
        • 2173

        #18
        Originally posted by johneffay View Post
        The more cynical amongst us might think that it's just a drop in the ocean designed to keep the government off their backs. If the government try to reign in their behaviour, they can say "But look how responsible we are: we have already paid back some money!"
        La la la la. I can`t hear you....



        Don`t piss in my cheerios, John. I like this fantasy world! Let me keep my delusions of happiness.

        (Yeah, I know. Too good to be true. What can I say. I`m an optimist.)
        "Self-discipline and self-knowledge are the key. An individual becomes a unique universe, able to move at will through all the scales of the multiverse - potentially able to control the immediate reality of every scale, every encountered environment."
        --Contessa Rose von Bek, Blood part 4, chapter 12

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        • MalikTous
          Silver Machine pilot
          • Jun 2011
          • 96

          #19
          The day the doctor died

          The problems in healthcare were caused by government; allowing fraudulent and frivolous malpractise suits to go through drove doctors' insurance rates up sky high, and with the $!!t rolling downhill, the patient gets stuck with the huge bill.

          I consider the bailouts and TARP program a total waste of money and feel we should retroactively rescind the whole program. Same goes for the porkulus ('stimulus') programs; they either got squirrelled away against future famine or spent on junk. While GM wasn't the biggest malefactor in the bogus bailouts (that station is taken by Bank of UnAmerica), it was more money than they deserved. If I ever buy a car again. it's likely to be a Ford.

          If Obamacare (Patient Perversion and Un-affordable Care Act) is repealed and scrapped (and the money mostly recovered by fining its crooked sponsors), I'll continue with my current situation of using corporate-sponsored free clinics or paying per care incident. If not, I plan to drop out of the health care system entirely, refusing to either pay for, comply with, or accept care from the socialist system. That is rather final but I feel it to be the only thing I can do that lets me remain true to the Constitution, you know, that document of governance the Dummycrats keep ignoring and the anti-Darwinist theocrat-feudalists are too illiterate to read. While prepaid medical can be considered a 'benefit of employment' while serving in the military, its nature makes anything beyond routine care drop in quality. The Socialist model has failed again, both in test bed form and in execution.
          'He's frozen in a timetrap,
          Slowly losing power.
          Frightened if he makes a move,
          The dream will soon turn sour...'

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          • ThanosShadowsage
            Eternal Companion
            • Dec 2003
            • 666

            #20
            The "free market" is a lie. Either the market is regulated by a government (hopefully with the people's interests in mind) or it is regulated by the businesses with enough wealth and power to throw their clout around. And we all know that businesses only care about themselves. That's just good business.

            Any attempt at healthcare in a "free market" is doomed to corruption. Healthcare is just too profitable if left in the hands of big business. Everybody needs it.

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            • Lucid Sirius
              Jester, ret.
              • Mar 2009
              • 465

              #21
              Originally posted by MalikTous View Post
              ...If Obamacare (Patient Perversion and Un-affordable Care Act)....
              Never mind the fact that you're retyping talking points manufactured by people with no interest in you at all, I'm still intrigued: so how do you think patients are being "perverted"?

              "When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained."
              - Mark Twain, notebook entry, 1898.

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              • Rob Hansen
                Guardian of the Grail
                • Dec 2010
                • 476

                #22
                A surfeit of threads?

                Clicking on 'new posts' and looking down the list, there seems to be a lot of helthcare post in there. Should these perhaps all be amalgamated into one?

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                • Rothgo
                  Champion of the Unbalanced
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 6663

                  #23
                  You are quite right Rob. There have been a few unnecessary additions, a few necrothreads and some separations/extractions form others that have muddied the waters somewhat.

                  I hope folks can work out themselves which threads to keep going, and which to leave, rather than merge too many of them.

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