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  • Doc
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    Originally posted by demos99
    Pamela des Barres' autobiography I'm with the Band is supposed to be the classic account of a groupie's life. It was recently reprinted in the US.
    This is the classic. It makes Almost Famous seem quite tame.

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  • Doc
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    Originally posted by Mikey_C
    It's actually got me more interested in the psychology of the groupies who seem to have been prepared to suffer all sorts of degradation just to 'get close to the stars'. I expect writers get them as well.
    Popular Culture Review is publishing an excellent article on minor league baseball groupies next month.

    The groupie mentality is fascinating. Many interesting motives: reflected glory, feeling a part of the process, and feeling like they can seduce a desirable person. Great stuff.

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  • David Mosley
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    Originally posted by Azariel
    Originally posted by spaced_moorcock
    Strange to think that I've been more productive in the three months that I've been single than in the three years that I had a girlfriend. Maybe the flustration could be aiding the creative process?
    I'm the same way - seems when I'm sad, lonely and misanthropic is when I'm most productive in my writing than having some chick at my side! Go figure. . . :D
    It's mostly the same kind of reason why the Roman Catholic forbids its priests from getting married. The idea is that you're not able to devote yourself to one thing if you have other distractions or dependents in your life.

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  • Azariel
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    Originally posted by spaced_moorcock
    Strange to think that I've been more productive in the three months that I've been single than in the three years that I had a girlfriend. Maybe the flustration could be aiding the creative process?
    I'm the same way - seems when I'm sad, lonely and misanthropic is when I'm most productive in my writing than having some chick at my side! Go figure. . . :D

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  • David Mosley
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    Originally posted by spaced_moorcock
    Originally posted by Mikey_C
    It's actually got me more interested in the psychology of the groupies who seem to have been prepared to suffer all sorts of degradation just to 'get close to the stars'. I expect writers get them as well.
    I've heard a few stories about what the members of Zeppelin used to get up to and what they used to do to their groupies. It amazes me that the groupies went through with it. :?
    Pamela des Barres' autobiography I'm with the Band is supposed to be the classic account of a groupie's life. It was recently reprinted in the US.

    A more UK-oriented account came from Jenny Fabian, a former girlfriend of Syd Barrett, who co-wrote Groupie (with Johnny Byrne), a semi-fictionalised account of her life as a groupie in 1969. She followed it up with A Chemical Romance in 1971, which recounted the celebrity status she experienced after the success of her first 'novel'. Groupie is available from Amazon UK.

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  • spaced_moorcock
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    Originally posted by Mikey_C
    Originally posted by spaced_moorcock
    Maybe the flustration (sic) could be aiding the creative process?
    That's what Freud called 'sublimation'.
    Cool. Do I have to lie on a couch and tell you about my mother? :) Speaking of Freud, I've ordered the action figure. I first saw them in a shop in Amsterdam but decided not to buy one. The temptation became too much when I found him on the internet.

    Originally posted by Mikey_C
    It's actually got me more interested in the psychology of the groupies who seem to have been prepared to suffer all sorts of degradation just to 'get close to the stars'. I expect writers get them as well.
    I've heard a few stories about what the members of Zeppelin used to get up to and what they used to do to their groupies. It amazes me that the groupies went through with it. :?

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  • Mikey_C
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    Originally posted by spaced_moorcock
    Maybe the flustration (sic) could be aiding the creative process?
    That's what Freud called 'sublimation'.

    My 'toilet reading' at present is Hammer of the Gods, an 'unauthorised' () biography of Led Zeppelin. It would appear that they didn't have much sublimation - just 'ids' running rampant.

    It's actually got me more interested in the psychology of the groupies who seem to have been prepared to suffer all sorts of degradation just to 'get close to the stars'. I expect writers get them as well.

    It all seems so apelike!

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  • spaced_moorcock
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    Personally I've found that caffeine has aided my creative process more than sex. I have a strange reaction to caffeine and music and they kinda send me on strange tangents. It's too hard to write during sex and all I want to do is fall asleep afterwards. :)

    Strange to think that I've been more productive in the three months that I've been single than in the three years that I had a girlfriend. Maybe the flustration could be aiding the creative process?

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  • Azariel
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    Originally posted by lemec
    I think you were not being too serious about that, but I feel it's best to be among our fellow humans,unless that is the desert sun talking to me. :lol:
    You know me to well. . . :lol:

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  • lemec
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    Originally posted by Azariel
    Sounds like jibberish - many creative people who didn't date often, REH and HPL! Now as for depression in writers, I agree to that, and we are more prone to it than most people - thats what you get for thinking outside the box - no one gets you fully! But I am a prime example of creativity without sexual sucess - I've concetrated so much on my writing and books, I've become something of a recluse and hermit!
    Hello Azariel, being a hermit can be dangrous state of being. :lol:

    sometimes you can't help it with all the cool books out there and now the internet, and I stayed away from contact for awhile here and there, I think there is something to that 'cabin fever' ;)

    I think you were not being too serious about that, but I feel it's best to be among our fellow humans,unless that is the desert sun talking to me. :lol:

    Anyway, one does come up with some wild ideas and concepts when alone for extended periods. :D

    I don't think that afore mentioned article has any credibility though. There are always studies linking something to something else and is in no way true or capable of being proved. The sex thing might be true to 50% of artists, but then there is the other half. That insane bit might have some truth with Leonardo DaVinci,hehe,but that's the exception, insanity is probaly more linked to one's contentment among other things including physical problems. I did not mean to sound so serious on this subject, I am not, just thinking.

    :)

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  • lemec
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    It sounds like I am going to have to get creative real quick! ;)

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  • Azariel
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    Originally posted by mordenkainen
    Originally posted by Azariel
    I am a prime example of creativity without sexual sucess
    I'm a prime example of just the opposite, so I guess you have a point.

    Thus blowing the whole idea outta the water sort of speak :D

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  • mordenkainen
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    Originally posted by Azariel
    I am a prime example of creativity without sexual sucess
    I'm a prime example of just the opposite, so I guess you have a point.

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  • Grey Mouser
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    Sounds like Shakespeare knew what he was talking about all that time ago when he wrote: 'the lunatic, the lover, and the poet, are of imagination all compact...'

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  • DeeCrowSeer
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    I think I read a similar article some time ago, and I've been thinking along the same lines regarding "shamans"... although in my case it was mostly to justify being a bit weird. "Back in the day I'd have been a valuable member of the tribe, dammit!" In essence what most of us are doing is having conversations in our head with imaginary people (or drawing imaginary people), which is rather "weird", but stories seem to have some value still... not sure why, but I'm sure there are theories about that sort of thing. I know that I would suck as a hunter/gatherer, so it's comforting to kid myself that there's always been a need for crazy mystics and storytellers.

    I recall a documentary we were shown at uni featuring some poets who were given anti-depressants. Some could continue to work, but others couldn't. In a way the depression, or what was behind it, was what sparked their creativity. I can't remember all the details, but I went home and tried to write poems under the influence of cider that evening (which might be why I can't remember all of the details).

    I used to believe that my best work was written when I had the blues (or even the "mean reds"), but in reality I think it was just my most self-reflexive work. It was always about miserable writers. Now I've cheered up a bit, I've realised that there are other characters and subjects to explore... although writers still crop up here and there, of course. :)

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