Announcement

Collapse

Welcome to Moorcock's Miscellany

Dear reader,

Many people have given their valuable time to create a website for the pleasure of posing questions to Michael Moorcock, meeting people from around the world, and mining the site for information. Please follow one of the links above to learn more about the site.

Thank you,
Reinart der Fuchs
See more
See less

Poetry

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • The Wicked Judge

    It is an old and oft-repeated tale
    That those who seek their standards to impose,
    Sat in the seat of judgement, often fail,
    And practise the same sins they would oppose.

    So if your rebel soul you would redeem,
    Remember now, Hell's gain is Heaven's loss;
    Although you hold the law in high esteem,
    Satan's grabbed your coin and calls the toss.

    Now that age has left you stranded in the rain,
    In winter's night cut off from pleasures vernal,
    Hypocrisy won't ease your earthly pain
    Or lead you forth to pastures sempiternal.

    Repentant? It's forgiveness you must show
    If you'd prepare your heart for death's last throe.
    \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

    Comment


    • Bravo, Mikey_C. Interesting scansion, I might add, in the 2nd
      quatrain and the 1st line of the 3rd.

      For everyone else, you should realize that strict iambics aren't
      required. Mikey_C very consciously departed from iambics in
      a few places for his own purposes, and we don't judge the
      result from the degree to which he adhered to the rules
      of scansion. Lots of poets play games with scansion, and
      not just in modern times. Take a look at Donne and at
      times, Coleridge.

      So that's 2. What will the Mouser and HawkLord do with
      these words? We'll soon find out. I'm looking forward to
      it.

      LSN

      Comment


      • John Donne has come up a few times in this thread. During the
        Elizabethan and Jacobean periods, he very consciously broke
        the rules of scansion in a number of his verses. Ben Jonson
        once opined that in some ways, his friend Donne was "the
        first poet in the world," but "for not keeping to accent deserved
        hanging."

        Clearly, discerning readers (e.g., Jonson) perceived the merit
        of Donne's work, but the concern Jonson expressed on the
        subject of deviating from iambics was well-founded.

        There continued to be admirers of Donne's poetry through
        the years until Donne was "rediscovered" in the early years
        of the 20th Century. (T.S. Eliot wasn't the initiator of this
        rediscovery, but his enthusiastic writings on Donne helped.)

        Samuel Taylor Coleridge was another discerning admirer, who
        understood very well the function of the apparent "flaws" in
        Donne's scansion. He wrote a short poem that self-referentially
        reveals his insight into Donne's method. It's provided below
        for your amusement.

        It's clear that "deviating from accent" has certain advantages.

        LSN

        On Donne's Poetry, by Samuel Taylor Coleridge

        With Donne, whose muse on dromedary trots,
        Wreathe iron pokers into true-love knots;
        Rhyme's sturdy cripple, fancy's maze and clue,
        Wit's forge and fire-blast, meaning's press and screw.

        Comment


        • OK here goes


          Future

          We sit by the fire telling that ancient tale
          Of the foolish ones who dared to impose
          Their arrogant rules on the multiverse and not fail.
          But it was a mighty power they dared to oppose.

          Now we must find a way to redeem
          Ourselves and to cut our loss,
          But our race will never regain our proud esteem.
          Who knows, perhaps it was but the luck of the toss.

          There is nowhere we can come in from the rain
          And escape from this horrible vernal
          Rhythm, escape from the inherited pain.
          Their mistakes will haunt us sempiternal

          And though our troubles we shall never show
          Our life is but one eternal death throe.



          I enjoyed that :D
          I had to look up sempiternal in the dictionary though

          Comment


          • Nice work, HawkLord. As for "sempiternal," I dropped it in
            there precisely for this purpose. If every one of you had
            already known the word, I'd have been disappointed, and
            would be forced to ransack my vocabulary for more outrأ©
            items than this.

            Obviously, the Mouser is occupied elsewhere. He'll eventually post
            his effort #1, I'm sure.

            I'm almost done with my 2nd effort with these rhymes. As usual,
            I'm slightly held up on the concluding couplet. Did anyone else
            find the couplet hard? It has a tendency to become a cute
            epigram at the end because of the organization of the
            Elizabethan sonnet. Avoiding that pitfall is one of the
            hazards of this form.

            LSN

            Comment


            • I think I was quite lucky with the way the couplet turned out. Sempiternal doesn't make it past the spell-check by the way. Let's all put in a complaint to Bill Gates!
              \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Mikey_C
                I think I was quite lucky with the way the couplet turned out.
                My experience is that sometimes they work themselves out quite naturally, but
                a lot of the time, I'm less than happy with the final result.

                In the example I provided, I'm not completely satisfied with the effect.
                With the one I'm tinkering with now, I'm even less satisfied. I'll let it
                simmer for a short while, and maybe a solution to the problem will
                present itself. Trying to force these things makes for bad results,
                more often than not.


                Originally posted by Mikey_C
                Sempiternal doesn't make it past the spell-check by the way. Let's all put in a complaint to Bill Gates!
                It's useless! What would it do with "callipygous," or "infandous" or "tompion" or
                some other, equally colorless quotidian verbal item? :lol:

                (There's a simple, pedestrian definition of "tompion," but my favorite was provided
                by Roald Dahl in his book, My Uncle Oswald. Lightweight literary fair, I know,
                but I'm easily amused.)

                The best verbal reference for English speakers is, IMHO, the O.E.D. Accept no
                substitutes.

                LSN

                Comment


                • Originally posted by L_Stearns_Newburg
                  Nice work, HawkLord. As for "sempiternal," I dropped it in
                  there precisely for this purpose. If every one of you had
                  already known the word, I'd have been disappointed, and
                  would be forced to ransack my vocabulary for more outrأ©
                  items than this.
                  LSN
                  Yeh thanks for that one man I used the sempiternal/vernal rhyme in a pointless talk we had to do in PSE(personal social education). That subject is such a waste of time we had to make boxes to make a sculpture for some reason. The story was, a celebrity was opening a new wing of your paper making factory and you had to write a speech in your team. It turned out I had to write the whole thing and naturally I treated it as a joke.
                  My PSE teacher says I'm too cynical and theres no room for cynicism in the real world...

                  Comment


                  • I would challenge that; the "real world" is almost entirely cynical....
                    \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

                    Comment


                    • Yeh exactly! My PSE teacher said there was no room for it. My friends and I had a real laugh about that one over break. Another time she says to the class what came into our heads when she said the word 'team-building'. My friend sticks his hand up and says Thatcherism and we had this whole argument with her about it. In the end she wrote it up but only in the corner of the board because she didnt like it. Then she claimed to be being very open-minded...

                      Comment


                      • Argh, Hawklord the phrase 'team-building' carries for me horrible corporate overtones. I can sympathise with why it would be associated with Thatcherism by your friend. It would have been a far more interesting lecture I guess if your teacher had been open to exploring the reasons why your friend would associate the two terms.

                        Sorry to come in so late with my one as I was having real trouble with this. That's why I'm doubly impressed with all your versions this time around and the way you have all moulded your theme into the sonnets form and pre set rhymes almost effortlessly it seems. Well here's mine then, a self pitying skit on how difficult I was finding it to write this time around (like Hawklord I had to look up sempiternal).

                        Self Pitying Sonnet

                        My frantic bid to forge a feisty tale
                        Within the bounds that rigid rhymes impose,
                        In spite of twisting terms, cannot but fail
                        When form and metre my intents oppose. :?

                        I am too mediocre to redeem
                        This fading sonnets form. It is no loss,
                        And maybe even wins you some esteem,
                        When fast my effort in the trash you toss.

                        Whilst some with vast vocabulary rain
                        A thousand rhymes, appropriate and vernal,
                        My verses cause the reader verbal pain,
                        (I swear I had to look up sempiternal). 8O

                        Sadly for me there’s nothing here to show
                        Except my feeble sonnets final throe. :roll:

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by HawkLord
                          Yeh exactly! My PSE teacher said there was no room for it. My friends and I had a real laugh about that one over break. Another time she says to the class what came into our heads when she said the word 'team-building'. My friend sticks his hand up and says Thatcherism and we had this whole argument with her about it. In the end she wrote it up but only in the corner of the board because she didnt like it. Then she claimed to be being very open-minded...
                          Your teacher is full of it. For every good teacher, how many poor ones?
                          My suspicion is the ratio is not a pleasant thing to contemplate. The bad
                          ones are, unfortunately, impossible to avoid, and must simply be endured.

                          "Team-building" -- the lady is infected with management-think, which is a great
                          deal like an unwholesome hybrid of Orwell's double-think with Bouvard and Pأ©cuchet's
                          "Dictionary of Received Ideas." Think of her as the Stepford Lecturer.

                          I note in passing that you added your location. I suspected from
                          the diction of your writing that you were from the U.K. So it appears
                          I was indeed the lone American representative in our joint undertaking. :lol:

                          LSN

                          Comment


                          • Hehe I liked that one Mouser :D

                            Comment


                            • Something weird happened here

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by L_Stearns_Newburg
                                Originally posted by HawkLord
                                Yeh exactly! My PSE teacher said there was no room for it. My friends and I had a real laugh about that one over break. Another time she says to the class what came into our heads when she said the word 'team-building'. My friend sticks his hand up and says Thatcherism and we had this whole argument with her about it. In the end she wrote it up but only in the corner of the board because she didnt like it. Then she claimed to be being very open-minded...
                                Your teacher is full of it. For every good teacher, how many poor ones?
                                My suspicion is the ratio is not a pleasant thing to contemplate. The bad
                                ones are, unfortunately, impossible to avoid, and must simply be endured.

                                "Team-building". -- the lady is infected with management-think, which is a great
                                deal like a cross between Orwell's double-think and Bouvard and Pأ©cuchet's
                                "Dictionary of Received Ideas." Think of her as the Stepford Lecturer.

                                I note in passing that you added your location. I suspected from
                                the diction of your writing that you were from the U.K. So I guess
                                I was indeed the lone American representative in our joint undertaking. :lol:

                                LSN

                                The scary thing is she isnt even such a bad teacher. As PSE teachers in our school go anyway! I remember one teacher told me I didnt need to me 'too different' when I was wearing a bandana to school.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X