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  • DeeCrowSeer
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    Well, the BBC have been "cleared", despite the huge number of complaints...

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050509/325/fieqb.html

    I think I've taped over my copy by now... I wonder if they'll try to release it to own?

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  • Mikey_C
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    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
    Otherwise the terrorists really will have won and Bush and Co have aided them in that victory.
    Absolutely - the aim is to spread hatred and division - the oldest trick in the book!

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  • silverhand
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    I see The Power of Nightmares is to start a repeat run on the BBC. Missed it the first time must try & see it second time around. Once civil rights go in the name of freedom then the terrorists have won.

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  • Michael Moorcock
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    Doesn't this suggest that the terrorists have actually achieved their objective. We have all been infected by terror. We need to resist the Bushoviks, the Christian, Moslem and Jewish reactionaries and all others who are trying to exploit that terror. It's up to us to resist it at all levels.
    Otherwise the terrorists really will have won and Bush and Co have aided them in that victory.

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  • Mikey_C
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    I must say I've just listened to the 'Asian' programme (its on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/) and its more nuanced than I suggested. Even cautiously optimistic in places; well worth a listen.

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  • Mikey_C
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    They said on the news this morning that the majority of responses had been complaints - but this was plainly an orchestrated campaign. It worries me now that they are adopting a stategy of saying "Would the BBC allow this if it was about Muhammad?" Are Islamic fundamentalists becoming the baseline? Theres a programme I want to hear on R4 soon called "Don't call me Asian". Apparently since 9/11, more and more asians in Britain are succumbing to communalist politics and want to be referred to by their religion. This is particularly affecting the women. (I also heard the director of "The Full Monty" has just made a film on the topic) Tragic.

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  • DeeCrowSeer
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    In the articles it did mention that many people had rung in to support the screening of the show. It struck me that I would never ring up a station to say how much I enjoyed a programme, which is actually rather slack of me. If there are only ever people ringing in to complain all the time, then some very interesting broadcasts could be endangered... so I'm going to have to think of something vaguely intelligent to say on the form now.

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  • Michael Moorcock
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    Here's the place to write:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4154385.stm

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  • Michael Moorcock
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    Good point. We can email the BBC. Let's do it.
    I tell my Christian relatives that I am essentially a Christian who doesn't happen to believe in the supernatural bits. My culture makes me a Christian, whether I like it or not.

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  • Mikey_C
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    With the Jerry Springer thing, perhaps we should be emailing the BBC thanking them for showing it. It just struck me that the Bible is part of my culture as well as the Xtians'. I (and all of us) should have the right to respond to it how I wish. Isn't this what guarantees religious freedom? These people need reminding. My big fear is that the fundamentalists of all persuasions will get together to push their anti-democratic agenda. We should stand up to them; we take our freedoms for granted.

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  • silverhand
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    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
    Wonder why the Christian Right isn't demonstrating outside the court room here. So what do they actually find obscene ? Bit of a mystery to me:



    In opening arguments at the court martial for the soldier, Specialist Charles A. Graner, his lawyers insisted he was simply following orders, and using lessons he had learned in his civilian life as a prison guard to try to maintain discipline in a chaotic war zone.

    Using naked and hooded detainees to make a human pyramid was much like what cheerleaders "all over America" do, the lawyer, Guy Womack, argued. Putting naked prisoners on leashes was much like what parents in airports and malls do with their toddlers: "They're not being abused," the lawyer told the jury of 10 soldiers, "they're being kept in control."
    "I was only following orders", now where have I heard that before? Wasn't that used as a defence by the followers of a certain A Hitler? Those chaps in the natty black uniforms?

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  • silverhand
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    Originally posted by AndroMan
    Quite right, Mr M. I was just thinking, 'London property values', as I took my kid to his keyboard lessons, this afternoon.


    As I was saying to someone, who had been complaining that Michael Moore had probably made lots of money out of 'Bowling For Columbine', on another MB today: it's strange how those on the Right only seem to complain about the making of money, when it's apparently being done by those on the Left.
    In a similar fashion, "Market Forces" were seen as great by the Tories when big business was getting the advantage, but not when they'd worked to the advantage of trade unions & the ordinary guy.

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  • Michael Moorcock
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    Wonder why the Christian Right isn't demonstrating outside the court room here. So what do they actually find obscene ? Bit of a mystery to me:



    In opening arguments at the court martial for the soldier, Specialist Charles A. Graner, his lawyers insisted he was simply following orders, and using lessons he had learned in his civilian life as a prison guard to try to maintain discipline in a chaotic war zone.

    Using naked and hooded detainees to make a human pyramid was much like what cheerleaders "all over America" do, the lawyer, Guy Womack, argued. Putting naked prisoners on leashes was much like what parents in airports and malls do with their toddlers: "They're not being abused," the lawyer told the jury of 10 soldiers, "they're being kept in control."

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  • Pietro_Mercurios
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    Quite right, Mr M. I was just thinking, 'London property values', as I took my kid to his keyboard lessons, this afternoon.

    I should have added, 'the insinuation, suggestion, or implication being...' to my Post, above, but I was fighting a losing battle with one of my other kids over control of the computer at the time. It hardly matters what the realities of the housing market are in London, especially to a purple faced and choleric Daily Mail readership in the Home Counties, who will draw their own conclusions base on the otherwise irrelevant property prices.

    As I was saying to someone, who had been complaining that Michael Moore had probably made lots of money out of 'Bowling For Columbine', on another MB today: it's strange how those on the Right only seem to complain about the making of money, when it's apparently being done by those on the Left.

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  • Michael Moorcock
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    Well, our old flat in London, which cost us a 'normal' amount of money in the 1980s recently sold for a million. I'm not the only person who moved into a cheap area which later went 'up' -- think what my place would be worth if I'd stayed in Notting Hill. So it isn't necessarily license-payers' money that's paid for these people's houses at all. If they're of a certain age they are in the position of many of my friends of modest means who are sitting on property worth hundreds of thousands, maybe a million or more, but don't want to move from their old neighbourhood!
    The reason being that if they wanted another place in London, it would cost them the same as the one they sold.

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