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  • #31
    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
    ... The conventional comic view of Grand Opera is of some poor bastard lying on the stage, having been dealt his death blow some half-an-hour earlier singing 'I die. I am dying. I am almost dead...' Can't imagine this being a problem in JS.
    ...
    Oh, it's in there, Mr M. :lol:

    ...

    And, from information received on another Site, this from the Daily Mail:
    BBC boss in hiding
    by ANDREW WILKS and AMANDA PERTHEN,
    Mail on Sunday 09:18am 9th January 2005


    The BBC executive behind the decision to screen Jerry Springer - The Opera last night has fled his home with his young family after receiving death threats.

    BBC2 controller Roly Keating, his wife and their three young children were driven out of their آ£1million house after a Christian group posted his private address and telephone number on its website.

    They fled yesterday morning after security experts decided the threat to kill Mr Keating if the programme went ahead was a credible one.

    ...
    Hard to believe that members of the CofE had it in them, really. It's as if members of all the various religions were looking round, desperately to find something artistic to be offended by. So that they could then issue threats of violence and death. Just in case their particuliar brand of God Bothering might not be taken seriously, otherwise. :roll:

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    • #32
      I had the opening lines to the song, 'This is my Jerry Springer moment', running through my head this morning. :?

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      • #33
        driven out of their آ£1million house ???
        jourmalists really lost all control of their primitive pulsions.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by mordenkainen
          driven out of their آ£1million house ???
          jourmalists really lost all control of their primitive pulsions.
          It goes on to note that another senior BBC figure involved (Alan Yentob) lives in a house worth آ£3million!

          That's the 'Daily Mail' for you, just the kind of right wing tabloid that thrives on and feeds, the feelings of resentment and jealousy of its lower middle-class readership (part of the point being, that their TV licence fees paid for all that).

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          • #35
            Well, our old flat in London, which cost us a 'normal' amount of money in the 1980s recently sold for a million. I'm not the only person who moved into a cheap area which later went 'up' -- think what my place would be worth if I'd stayed in Notting Hill. So it isn't necessarily license-payers' money that's paid for these people's houses at all. If they're of a certain age they are in the position of many of my friends of modest means who are sitting on property worth hundreds of thousands, maybe a million or more, but don't want to move from their old neighbourhood!
            The reason being that if they wanted another place in London, it would cost them the same as the one they sold.

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            • #36
              Quite right, Mr M. I was just thinking, 'London property values', as I took my kid to his keyboard lessons, this afternoon.

              I should have added, 'the insinuation, suggestion, or implication being...' to my Post, above, but I was fighting a losing battle with one of my other kids over control of the computer at the time. It hardly matters what the realities of the housing market are in London, especially to a purple faced and choleric Daily Mail readership in the Home Counties, who will draw their own conclusions base on the otherwise irrelevant property prices.

              As I was saying to someone, who had been complaining that Michael Moore had probably made lots of money out of 'Bowling For Columbine', on another MB today: it's strange how those on the Right only seem to complain about the making of money, when it's apparently being done by those on the Left.

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              • #37
                Wonder why the Christian Right isn't demonstrating outside the court room here. So what do they actually find obscene ? Bit of a mystery to me:



                In opening arguments at the court martial for the soldier, Specialist Charles A. Graner, his lawyers insisted he was simply following orders, and using lessons he had learned in his civilian life as a prison guard to try to maintain discipline in a chaotic war zone.

                Using naked and hooded detainees to make a human pyramid was much like what cheerleaders "all over America" do, the lawyer, Guy Womack, argued. Putting naked prisoners on leashes was much like what parents in airports and malls do with their toddlers: "They're not being abused," the lawyer told the jury of 10 soldiers, "they're being kept in control."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by AndroMan
                  Quite right, Mr M. I was just thinking, 'London property values', as I took my kid to his keyboard lessons, this afternoon.


                  As I was saying to someone, who had been complaining that Michael Moore had probably made lots of money out of 'Bowling For Columbine', on another MB today: it's strange how those on the Right only seem to complain about the making of money, when it's apparently being done by those on the Left.
                  In a similar fashion, "Market Forces" were seen as great by the Tories when big business was getting the advantage, but not when they'd worked to the advantage of trade unions & the ordinary guy.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
                    Wonder why the Christian Right isn't demonstrating outside the court room here. So what do they actually find obscene ? Bit of a mystery to me:



                    In opening arguments at the court martial for the soldier, Specialist Charles A. Graner, his lawyers insisted he was simply following orders, and using lessons he had learned in his civilian life as a prison guard to try to maintain discipline in a chaotic war zone.

                    Using naked and hooded detainees to make a human pyramid was much like what cheerleaders "all over America" do, the lawyer, Guy Womack, argued. Putting naked prisoners on leashes was much like what parents in airports and malls do with their toddlers: "They're not being abused," the lawyer told the jury of 10 soldiers, "they're being kept in control."
                    "I was only following orders", now where have I heard that before? Wasn't that used as a defence by the followers of a certain A Hitler? Those chaps in the natty black uniforms?
                    Arioch, aid me! Blood and souls for Arioch!

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                    • #40
                      With the Jerry Springer thing, perhaps we should be emailing the BBC thanking them for showing it. It just struck me that the Bible is part of my culture as well as the Xtians'. I (and all of us) should have the right to respond to it how I wish. Isn't this what guarantees religious freedom? These people need reminding. My big fear is that the fundamentalists of all persuasions will get together to push their anti-democratic agenda. We should stand up to them; we take our freedoms for granted.
                      \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                      • #41
                        Good point. We can email the BBC. Let's do it.
                        I tell my Christian relatives that I am essentially a Christian who doesn't happen to believe in the supernatural bits. My culture makes me a Christian, whether I like it or not.

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                        • #43
                          In the articles it did mention that many people had rung in to support the screening of the show. It struck me that I would never ring up a station to say how much I enjoyed a programme, which is actually rather slack of me. If there are only ever people ringing in to complain all the time, then some very interesting broadcasts could be endangered... so I'm going to have to think of something vaguely intelligent to say on the form now.
                          "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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                          • #44
                            They said on the news this morning that the majority of responses had been complaints - but this was plainly an orchestrated campaign. It worries me now that they are adopting a stategy of saying "Would the BBC allow this if it was about Muhammad?" Are Islamic fundamentalists becoming the baseline? Theres a programme I want to hear on R4 soon called "Don't call me Asian". Apparently since 9/11, more and more asians in Britain are succumbing to communalist politics and want to be referred to by their religion. This is particularly affecting the women. (I also heard the director of "The Full Monty" has just made a film on the topic) Tragic.
                            \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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                            • #45
                              I must say I've just listened to the 'Asian' programme (its on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/) and its more nuanced than I suggested. Even cautiously optimistic in places; well worth a listen.
                              \"...an ape reft of his tail, and grown rusty at climbing, who yet feels himself to be a symbol and the frail representative of Omnipotence in a place that is not home.\" James Branch Cabell

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