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  • Miqque
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    Originally posted by Octo Seven View Post
    Originally posted by krakenten View Post
    "I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
    Aha! Microbiology 101!

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  • Heresiologist
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    Originally posted by opaloka View Post
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    one of us, one of us
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    Heh. Hailing from Lovecraft's favourite burg: New York. Maybe not The Horror from Red Hook so much as The Horror that is Punk Rock.

    Originally posted by Jagged View Post
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    Drat, I didn't think of that. ...I mean, I THOUGHT of that, but found it beneath me. The Evil Dead, with the Necronomicon in it, get it? Get it? Much more relevant to an HPL thread, I should think. I wouldn't go off-topic and speak of irrelevant things like handicapped people being marginalized by clergymen, be it rabbis, vicars, or priests. What do you take me for?

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    Rudimentary Peni did a song called "Homage a Tod Browning" somewhere in the many tracks they did for their Lovecraft themed concept album: Cacophony. I'd post it, but nobody's posted it to Youtube. Well, as I said it's in the album, the entirety of which is on Youtube.

    Originally posted by Octo Seven View Post
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    Although it wouldn't be ironic to an isolated person who had a fearful childhood. I think Dunwich Horror and Beyond The Wall of Sleep are great examples of his ideas on isolated communities asides from the obvious Innsmouth debacle. I wonder if the idea of those communities could be something akin to the mental landscape of a shut-in who is reminded too often of his noble but corrupted ancestry?
    Oh. There's that need for clarification again. I meant more that it's ironic to me that this one isolated person would fear isolated communities of people. But, yeah, if he was raised to fear lower class strangers, people of colour etc., then it makes a sort of sense. However, I keep stumbling upon him writing in letters about being rather happy during his childhood. Though maybe he's referring to the period before the family fortune was lost, or just being circumspect and not airing family troubles.
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  • Jagged
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    Originally posted by Jagged View Post
    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
    Now I'm horrified.
    Don't be scared. Just join us. Join us! JOIN US! MUAHAHAHA!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuYFJ20Aew
    I was expecting the dinner song of acceptance from Freaks.
    Drat, I didn't think of that. ...I mean, I THOUGHT of that, but found it beneath me. The Evil Dead, with the Necronomicon in it, get it? Get it? Much more relevant to an HPL thread, I should think. I wouldn't go off-topic and speak of irrelevant things like handicapped people being marginalized by clergymen, be it rabbis, vicars, or priests. What do you take me for?

    By the way, have you heard the one about the rabbi, the vicar, and the priest who went into a bar?


    [Frasier, exasperatedly to Niles: "Oh, stop saying 'be it'!"]

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  • krakenten
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    Before my mind wandered into complaining about my crummy childhood, I was about to comment on the fear of inclusion.

    Just as the Borg will assimilate you, there are other fates to which one may be condemned involuntarily, and from which there is no escape.

    This seems to be a metaphor for drug addiction(which is voluntary, anybody who doesn't know what's going to happen must have been living under a rock!)

    I watched part of a SyFy channel movie where people in a small town were becoming hideous monsters, and once infected having a certain enthusiasm for it.

    In my childhood, there was a widespread fear of inclusion of this sort, you might become a Communist, a homosexual(people saw them everywhere) almost by accident.

    Perhaps Lovecraft's extreme racism and xenophobia came from a fear of being drawn into these outcast groups?

    Not rational, of course,but frankly, my meditations on the XX Century have led me to the conclusion that said century was stark,raving mad.

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  • krakenten
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    As I understand it(based on my similar life)in Lovecraft's place and time, most people were not very mobile-they attended local schools, lived in the same neighborhood , worked in the local industries and had a restricted set of friends and associates.

    To be an outcast in such a place is to be utterly shunned, sometimes persecuted. Anyone who is not very strictly part of this narrow way is going to be called a 'queer', often by people who don't even understand what that is.

    From what I've seen of late, that way of life is perishing(and long past time) and exclusion is not as severe as once it was.

    What that does to you is leave a suspicion that something is going on that you cannot be part of.

    For me, growing up in York County, a very strange place indeed, full of odd religious sects and the Hexarie beliefs of the rural people, with the cruel ways of the mill hands and a flourishing underworld gave me an understanding of the world HPL knew.

    Just for an example, the elementary school I attended(the only one) had two enterences. One was the boys, the other, girls-this wasn't official, just custom. Walking past you heard a cacophony of "You Suck!" and "You Blow" 0r (........) eats it raw!" This from kids who had no idea of what that was.

    And as I said, there was an underworld.

    I understand HPL very well indeed. After my recent return to Red Lion, and my observation of the depopulation of the actual town, I think I understand it even better.

    Not what I expected.

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  • Octo Seven
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    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
    I'd say he was in the conversation. I'm looking forward to Providence.
    Issue One is in shops at the moment if you can't wait for the inevitable trade volume.I think you'll like what he's done with the material, definitely a fresh approach so far.

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  • Michael Moorcock
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    I'd say he was in the conversation. I'm looking forward to Providence.

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  • Octo Seven
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    Originally posted by krakenten View Post
    "I will show you fear in a handful of dust", now there's a frightening bit of biz! Elliot made play on the occult revival post WWI,
    I just read the first issue of Alsn Moore's Providence which directly mentions the above quote, Jack London, and The Respire Of Reputations. We're all on a similar track. If only someone could convince Alan to join in the conversation.

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  • Octo Seven
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    Originally posted by Heresiologist View Post
    Originally posted by Octo Seven View Post
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    You'll notice how Lovecraft heavily borrowed (well kinda stole) from it too, Skarl The Drummer is reminiscent of the demonic drummer and piper who lull Azathoth to sleep, Skarl also does it to keep Mana-Yood-Sushai sleeping lest he wake and destroy the universe.
    Kinda stole? But that makes him only kinda a great artist.

    I've also been mulling your insight of Lovecraft as youthful, housebound, shut-in (therefore a rather isolated person). It seems ironic how this isolated individual would see so much to fear in isolated communities.

    Originally posted by Jagged View Post
    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
    Now I'm horrified.
    Don't be scared. Just join us. Join us! JOIN US! MUAHAHAHA!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuYFJ20Aew
    I was expecting the dinner song of acceptance from Freaks.
    Although it wouldn't be ironic to an isolated person who had a fearful childhood. I think Dunwich Horror and Beyond The Wall of Sleep are great examples of his ideas on isolated communities asides from the obvious Innsmouth debacle. I wonder if the idea of those communities could be something akin to the mental landscape of a shut-in who is reminded too often of his noble but corrupted ancestry?

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  • opaloka
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    Originally posted by Heresiologist View Post

    I was expecting the dinner song of acceptance from Freaks.
    one of us, one of us

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  • Heresiologist
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    Originally posted by Octo Seven View Post
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    You'll notice how Lovecraft heavily borrowed (well kinda stole) from it too, Skarl The Drummer is reminiscent of the demonic drummer and piper who lull Azathoth to sleep, Skarl also does it to keep Mana-Yood-Sushai sleeping lest he wake and destroy the universe.
    Kinda stole? But that makes him only kinda a great artist.

    I've also been mulling your insight of Lovecraft as youthful, housebound, shut-in (therefore a rather isolated person). It seems ironic how this isolated individual would see so much to fear in isolated communities. Then again, in some of his letters he does go on about needing the architecture, sights etc. of his home area in order to feel any sense of comfort.

    Originally posted by Jagged View Post
    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
    Now I'm horrified.
    Don't be scared. Just join us. Join us! JOIN US! MUAHAHAHA!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuYFJ20Aew
    I was expecting the dinner song of acceptance from Freaks.
    Last edited by Heresiologist; 05-28-2015, 03:03 PM.

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  • Jagged
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    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
    Now I'm horrified.
    Don't be scared. Just join us. Join us! JOIN US! MUAHAHAHA!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuYFJ20Aew

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  • krakenten
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    The eldrich is perhaps losing its impact.

    Who has not felt a frisson upon examining some antique book, or a box of odds and ends from an estate sale? After all, this is from the lost and often totally forgotten past.

    We seem to think that magic worked back then-the movies have dinned that into us for the last few decades. Indiana Jones encounters dark magic and the minions of the Ahenerbe seeking sorcery for the Nazis, the mummy of Imhotep bids fair to rule the world....that sort of thing. Quatermas and Dr. Who encounter Bad Things from Way Back When, the eccentric Agent Pendergast faces much ancient evil.

    Just as the UFO has gained power with time and much unreliable information-Roswell is a fine example-we have come to accept this new mythology as fact.

    There are any number of montebanks ready to cash in. I recently tried to read "The Secret Space Age'', a real howler full of the same old cases and the same old half-truths and outright lies. I couldn't finish it, same old-same old.

    Now, imagine an 18 year old college freshman picking this up(I found it in the Johns Hopkins Barnes and Noble)

    I'm beginning to see what may be truth, and I do not like it worth a damn.

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  • SeeDoubleYou
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    Still slowly assailing the short stories, but, to me, HPL's stuff is eldritch-romance; it's the machismo that makes it horror.

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  • krakenten
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    That period must have been full of creativity-or else there was an audience starved for such ideas.

    For me, the idea of a secret world full of dark and dangerous enigmas somehow satisfies. I'll put it down to being somewhat socially isolated as a child and growing up in a town full of secrets, with the supernatural often close at hand.

    York county had the Hex murder of 1929, Toad Road(washed out by a hurricaine and never rebuilt, the Seven Gates of Hell and lots of Pennsylvania German(NOT Amish!) Hexarie and hoodoo. Not long ago, I overheard a very earnest conversation on Hex magic in a Hardee's in Dallastown. People take it seriously.

    The essence of speculative fiction is the question, "What if?" I'm pretty sure that The Great Old Ones are pure moonshine(especially since Cthulhu & Co. were never mentioned before Lovecraft, though similar ideas and beings appear in other works).

    And that's why I'm fond of HPL. Maybe you were a better adjusted child, and it holds no charm for you.

    Not everything is for everybody-but what about Jerry Cornelius vs. Cthulhu? There are enough Lovecraftian Espionage books to constitute a minor genre.

    It'll sell like crazy!(slip in some ancient astronuts, it can't fail!)

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