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  • Excellent review! I am going to read the extra text on volumes 1 and 2. I really liked the texts based parts of Watchmen. Moore is a hell of a writer just O'Neill is a superb artist. I think that I will have to read about the background of Black Dossier on the internet though!
    "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
    "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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    • Copyright issues mean the Black Dossier is not available in Canada.

      That doesn't mean I haven't seen it waiting for me to rustle up the money to buy one, though.

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      • Originally posted by Heresiologist View Post
        Copyright issues mean the Black Dossier is not available in Canada.

        That doesn't mean I haven't seen it waiting for me to rustle up the money to buy one, though.
        Yeah I bought it in Ireland years ago even though it wasn't legally supposed to be available here until recently, you could also order it from amazon.com from pretty much anywhere in the world, it seems the ban was never really enforced.

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        • J.M DeMatteis, Brooklyn Dreams and Mercy, quite awesome writer, and simply one of the coolest guys in the comics means.
          "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
          "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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          • The titles I'm enjoying most at the moment are:
            • Mind MGMT (Dark Horse)
            • Fatale (Image)
            • Manhattan Projects (Image)
            • Frankenstein: Agent of SHADE (DC)
            • Saucer County (Vertigo)

            I'm also looking forward to the closing chapters of Sweet Tooth (Jeff Lemire, Vertigo)

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            • I've almost stopped buying floppies since my return to buying comics with the DC Wednesday Comics series... Probably down two one or two titles from "the big two". I think it's mainly the new Aquaman and Defenders series.. I think those Marvel Masterworks reprints are my favourite Marvel comics right now..

              I've gotten into Kentaro Miura's Berserk manga series in a big way.. The first few volumes were actually horrific and the monsters/demons are quite well designed—a good sense for the surreal. I'm almost up to date and it's a bit D&D now, which is not a bad thing, esp. when the sandbox is so well designed. I defintely recommend it if this is your bag. There's definitely a heavy Moorcock vibe going on. Has anyone else checked this out?

              On the opposite end of the spectrum I've also gotten into Yotsuba&! which is very sweet and actually laugh-out-loud funny.

              Other stuff I've been digging since I last dropped in (off the top of my head) are Prison Pit, Dungeon Quest, those Jacques Tardi reprints, that recent King City trade and Garth Ennis's Hitman trades.

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              • ...

                Re-reading Watchmen for the first time.
                Mwana wa simba ni simba

                The child of a lion is also a lion - Swahili Wisdom

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                • Originally posted by zlogdan View Post
                  J.M DeMatteis, Brooklyn Dreams and Mercy, quite awesome writer, and simply one of the coolest guys in the comics means.
                  I found a copy of the first Hero Squared trade cheap and that was excellent. Unfortunately vol 2 is out of print..?

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                  • I never thought it would happen but Chaykin's only gone and delivered on Black Kiss 2!


                    Chaykin revisits sex, death and movies with 'Black Kiss 2'

                    Howard Chaykin understands there is a certain irony in being a guy who creates comic-book erotica but also watches Bunheads and has a serious love for musical comedy.

                    An icon in the comics industry with an impressively diverse resume, Chaykin returns to the controversial world he created in the 1980s in the six-issue miniseries Black Kiss 2, with the first issue in comic shops today from Image Comics.

                    It's a book that's definitely not for kids or the overly prim.

                    "It's all about the three things that matter most: sex, death and the movies," says Chaykin, well known for his American Flagg! series. "It starts in a nickelodeon and ends in the Internet."

                    The original Black Kiss followed vampires in hard-boiled Hollywood and, due to the explicit sex and brutal violence, was sold in sealed plastic bags by Vortex Press. The new six-issue series revisits characters such as Beverly Grove and Charles "Bubba" Kenton while also looking at eroticism in each decade from the beginning of the 20th century to today.

                    Chaykin also admits that Black Kiss 2 is "considerably filthier" than the original. Then again, books such as Tom Clancy's The Cardinal of the Kremlin were all the rage in 1988 when Black Kiss first debuted, while today E.L. James' three erotica-filled Fifty Shades of Grey novels have steamed up pop culture.

                    The first Black Kiss series is very much of its time, Chaykin says, and was a reaction to comic-book publishers colluding to create a ratings system and reinvigorate the ages-old Comics Code Authority.

                    "Those of us who were loudmouth cranks like me and Frank Miller and Alan Moore all made noise about that," he recalls. "I set out to do an incredibly offensive comic book just because I felt I could."

                    However, he also wanted it to have some genuine laughs along with being dirty and violent. "It's offensive and horrible but very funny."

                    And it found fans.

                    Much to Chaykin's continued surprise, the original Black Kiss proved immediately popular when it was released to the "fairly conservative" comic-book crowd, and it remains the second highest-paying gig he has ever had per page in his long career.

                    "Most comic-book readers tend to prefer pinups to erotica, and I'm not a pinup guy," Chaykin, 61, says.

                    When he started in comics in the early 1970s, he and his peers "looked like stoners," with leftist leanings and long hair as products of the '60s. What followed his, though, was a much more conservative generation of comic creators who wanted to draw superheroes unlike Chaykin, who was more interested in horror, crime, sword-and-sorcery and pulp-y period tales.

                    While the media features "guys showing up in Mardi Gras outfits" when covering comic conventions, Chaykin says, comics is more of a "laddie" culture for the most part. "It has more to do with FHM than it does with Wizard magazine. It's very much a cigar-smoking, Rat Pack-y sensibility, which is not my world."

                    Publishers have been soliciting Chaykin to do a Black Kiss sequel for the past 20 years, while he has had his hand in every genre, from the superheroes in Challengers of the Unknown and Avengers 1959 to the futuristic noir City of Tomorrow and gangster vampires of Bite Club. (On tap: Writing and drawing Buck Rogers for Hermes Press, and teaming with writer Matt Fraction for Image's Satellite Sam, a pulp take on an erotic crime thriller set in the world of 1950s children television.)

                    "If all he did was American Flagg!, he would still be ranked amongst our industry's best," says Image publisher Eric Stephenson. "He's a master artist, a master storyteller, and he has just about as unique a voice as you're likely to find in comics. The original Black Kiss is one of the best examples of that."

                    Chaykin had the itch to do another Black Kiss, too, but just couldn't find a hook to hang a franchise on until he found inspiration in musical-theater songsmith Stephen Sondheim. ("I'm sure he's thrilled about being referenced in this context," Chaykin quips.)

                    He was reading Finishing the Hat, Sondheim's first collection of lyrics, and in writing about the anthemic tune I'm Still Here from the musical Follies, Sondheim's allusion that it was a fictional pastiche of Joan Crawford's movie career caused Chaykin to realize he should make Black Kiss 2 a picaresque through history.

                    So, he created 12 10-page stories that span just as many decades, throwing in events and places such as the 1912 sinking of the Titanic, the 1977 New York City Blackout and Mardi Gras in 1962 New Orleans, and moving characters — "Some of whom are immortal, some of whom aren't," Chaykin says — through that time.

                    He's a guy who's done a lot of sexually tinged material in his own history, but when it comes to adult entertainment, Chaykin likes it in the abstract.
                    Playboy magazine was the first adult material he ever saw, but has no clue what it's about these days. He also has never been to a gentlemen's club, so he has to interview people about what that kind of experience is like, or set foot in an adult-oriented convention.

                    "Ugh. I can't imagine going, in the same way I never went to a comic-book convention before I became a professional because I had seen them on television," Chaykin says. "I was not up to the task and I was embarrassed to be seen with a lot of those people."

                    Chaykin has even tried to read some of his wife's "bodice-ripper" books, yet can only get through the first couple of chapters.

                    "I wish I got it. I just don't. It's beyond my grasp," he says. "Someone once said, of all the popular genres, romance fiction was the one that had yet to have a transcendent author the way, say, crime fiction has Elmore Leonard and Ed McBain and Lawrence Block."

                    Still, he adds, "the things sell like crazy."

                    When it comes to sex, Chaykin has found American culture to wax and wane in how proper it is over his lifetime, mostly on a case-by-case basis.

                    "I was born out of wedlock and I in turn have a daughter born out of wedlock. These were enormous, huge scandals," he says. "Today? Who gives a (expletive)? And I remain mindboggled occasionally how little of a (expletive) anybody gives about that stuff. It's astonishing to me."

                    Chaykin also lived with his wife for 10 years before they finally were married, without a moment's hesitation on the subject, he says. "In my parents' generation, that would have been utterly unacceptable but there was still an underground of sexual behavior going on that you had to basically dig around and unearth to find out its existence.

                    "Let us take a look at the hard fact that all those red states that espouse piety and deeply held religion are hotbeds of adultery and divorce," he adds. "Maybe it's not a lack of Puritanism but it's an evolving relationship with hypocrisy."

                    During a recent trip to visit family, he noticed Fifty Shades of Grey was on his daughter-in-law's night table, and she was embarrassed to admit she was reading the popular book.

                    "She actually put her hand on top of it and looked away, like I wouldn't notice," says Chaykin, adding that, even though she never has read comics in her life, his daughter-in-law's up to date on Black Kiss.

                    "She said, 'You must be really proud and really ashamed at the same time,' which I thought was one of the best reviews I've ever had."
                    I also got The Art of Howard Chaykin for my birthday this morning as I'd hoped and with BK2 #1 waiting at home for me it's a doubleplusgood day.
                    _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                    _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                    _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                    _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                    • Originally posted by Kymba334 View Post
                      Re-reading Watchmen for the first time.
                      I cannot remember how many times I read it. When It was issued here starting in November 1988, in 6 issues ( unlike the #12 original ), I think I read every issue 3 times. Then a few years later I read it again twice or three times. Then in 1999 the 12 issues were released here and I read again every issue 2 times. I got OCD you know, but I was heavily obsessed with Watchmen because it is so frakkin good! The best part is: every new time you read you always find something new about it. I like to think about it like the counterpoint technique used in music ( or in terms of tempo polyrhythms ), many layers at once.
                      "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
                      "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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                      • Originally posted by Chris T View Post
                        Originally posted by zlogdan View Post
                        J.M DeMatteis, Brooklyn Dreams and Mercy, quite awesome writer, and simply one of the coolest guys in the comics means.
                        I found a copy of the first Hero Squared trade cheap and that was excellent. Unfortunately vol 2 is out of print..?
                        I don't know. I have read Moonshadow, Justice League, Blood, the Martian Hunter Saga written by him. This last year I found out his blog and even talked to him through posting messages. I started to look for some of his comics.
                        "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
                        "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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                        • I'm reading all of the "Before the Watchmen" stuff. Best so far are Nite Owl and Ozymandius. I'd like to see some of the MinuteMen characters given their own books too, so we get more of the "back story" for them.
                          Lord Warshaw the Unknown

                          "Except in dreams, you're never really free." Warren Zevon, Desperados Under the Eaves.

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                          • Originally posted by WhiteWolf359 View Post
                            I'm reading all of the "Before the Watchmen" stuff. Best so far are Nite Owl
                            Well this was written by J.M Straczynski, this could be the only title in this series I would read! Still, a before watchmen series sounds pointless to me if not written by Alan Moore...
                            "From time to time I demonstrate the inconceivable, or mock the innocent, or give truth to liars, or shred the poses of virtue.(...) Now I am silent; this is my mood." From Sundrun's Garden, Jack Vance.
                            "As the Greeks have created the Olympus based upon their own image and resemblance, we have created Gotham City and Metropolis and all these galaxies so similar to the corporate world, manipulative, ruthless and well paid, that conceived them." Braulio Tavares.

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                            • Well, so far the Silk Spectre comic and the Roarshack one are pretty lame. Doctor Manhattan is due out next month, and I assume there will be a Comedian one too. Straczynski's writing is always superb. I really liked the new Doctor Strange origin series he did a few years back, just titled Strange.

                              I still miss Babylon 5. With the exception of Firefly, there's been nothing as good on SF tv since. The cop-out ending of the new Battlestar Galactica ruined the whole thing for me. Just ran out of steam, IMHO.
                              Lord Warshaw the Unknown

                              "Except in dreams, you're never really free." Warren Zevon, Desperados Under the Eaves.

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                              • I liked the ending of the new BSG! lol

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