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  • Elric-A Scientologist?

    On wikipedia. Edgar Winter is listed as a "Scientologist". Just curious to see what your thoughts are? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists

  • #2
    I was bummed to see so many stars I like on that list -- people I had once believed to be somewhat intelligent. :( Shattered images all over the place.
    "Wounds are all I'm made of. Did I hear you say that this is victory?"
    --Michael Moorcock, Veteran of the Psychic Wars

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    • #3
      To be fair, a sizeable portion of people on that list appear to be 'ex-Scientologists' rather than current members. Listing them now is a bit like calling someone a 'junkie' when they once smoked (but didn't inhale?) a joint 20-odd years ago.

      I always like to recommend Russell Miller's Bare-Faced Messiah (now available ONLINE whenever this subject rears its head. :)
      _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
      _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
      _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
      _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PsychicWarVeteran
        I was bummed to see so many stars I like on that list -- people I had once believed to be somewhat intelligent. :( Shattered images all over the place.
        I know what you mean. It's weird because I try not to be prejudiced, but when I read an interview with Jason Lee about Scientology, it did rather put me off some good films... for no apparent reason. Why should his personal beliefs have any effect on my enjoyment of Mallrats? They shouldn't, but for some reason they do... seeing him on screen with Cruise didn't help much, either. I'm not proud of that, but there we are. I still say it's strange that all of these talented creative people have this religion that they never, ever address in their actual work. Kevin Smith made Dogma while still considering himself a Catholic, so why have there never been any equivalent films about Dianetics? Hmmm...
        "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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        • #5
          to me, it does not bother me at all when it comes down to it.

          Julliete Lewis is in alot of good stuff that I like and she is on that list.

          Oliver Stone, can't ignore his work,etc.

          besides, we seem to be all upstanding followers of the Cosmic Balance,hehe and we seem to have morals of equality, although some of us think Scientology not to be the most valid religion or beliefs, it is still something we should respect,besides if we stop watching/reading things because of Scientology, (not to suggest we are) is not that the same thing as the communist witch hunts(that those in Hollywood bring up all the time, too much for my tastes, but it is still understandable.

          end rant.

          I guess all I am saying is I don't care what they believe in, I still find there stuff entertaining and sometimes informative. :D

          -Lemec

          (now political stances are a different thing, but even when I don't like some of the things an actor says, I still watch what they put out, example, I bought War Of The Worlds dvd,Tom Cruise version :lol: )

          "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
          - Michael Moorcock

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          • #6
            Well, I suppose I can admire Jason Lee's skateboarding prowess, acting ability and sense of humor while at the same time being disappointed in his choice of, er, religion. It's just that, well, I used to think he was intelligent. Same goes for Beck. Anyone who buys into Scientology and its poorly written sci-fi backstory is not playing with a full deck. It's hard for me to admire a moron.
            "Wounds are all I'm made of. Did I hear you say that this is victory?"
            --Michael Moorcock, Veteran of the Psychic Wars

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
              so why have there never been any equivalent films about Dianetics? Hmmm...
              Surely you can't have forgotten Travolta's masterpiece Battlefield Earth? 8O

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PsychicWarVeteran
                Well, I suppose I can admire Jason Lee's skateboarding prowess, acting ability and sense of humor while at the same time being disappointed in his choice of, er, religion. It's just that, well, I used to think he was intelligent. Same goes for Beck. Anyone who buys into Scientology and its poorly written sci-fi backstory is not playing with a full deck. It's hard for me to admire a moron.

                I see your point there PWV. :D On the other side of the issue,to play devil's advocate, if I decide today to start to worship the sun like some folk did ages ago, would that suddenly make me less intelligent? Maybe naive or gullible considering the amount of science out there, but my intelligence would still be the same, just the wisdom and the abilility to make honest rational choices might be flawed,lol. It all comes down to what I use my intelligence for, if my subconscious is pleased by following a religion that is not true, then something else would take over inside my mind to find a valid reason to follow something that makes me happy, or lets me gain a social status and still making me happy, so in other words, I guess I woud be fooling myself, but I still remain intelligent in the process. :lol:

                "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
                - Michael Moorcock

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                • #9
                  Did anyone see that news special where they showed the Scientology "crop circles" in New Mexico where they have a vault with the sacred writings which are carved into titanium tablets?

                  "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
                  - Michael Moorcock

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lemec
                    besides if we stop watching/reading things because of Scientology, (not to suggest we are) is not that the same thing as the communist witch hunts
                    No, it's not the same. I'm not a United States senator, and I have no power to have people "black listed", ruin careers and driven from the country or executed as spies. I don't believe it's an insidious plot to undermine my (or my family's, or my nation's) values. I just think it's a con trick. If people want to buy into it, then yes that is their business, but I don't see why anyone should "respect" that lapse in judgement any more than I "respect" a female friend's decision to take unlicenced taxi cabs when travelling abroad. :(
                    "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
                      Originally posted by PsychicWarVeteran
                      I was bummed to see so many stars I like on that list -- people I had once believed to be somewhat intelligent. :( Shattered images all over the place.
                      I know what you mean. It's weird because I try not to be prejudiced, but when I read an interview with Jason Lee about Scientology, it did rather put me off some good films... for no apparent reason. Why should his personal beliefs have any effect on my enjoyment of Mallrats? They shouldn't, but for some reason they do... seeing him on screen with Cruise didn't help much, either. I'm not proud of that, but there we are. I still say it's strange that all of these talented creative people have this religion that they never, ever address in their actual work. Kevin Smith made Dogma while still considering himself a Catholic, so why have there never been any equivalent films about Dianetics? Hmmm...
                      Goo,d point. Well, Scientologists are notoriously litigious, and sue, and appeal, forever. So, most people just don't want to deal. Also, "religious persecution" is always brought up. (Note: it was only made a "religion" recently, by the accountants who run it)... (for tax exemption). Only South Park challenged them recently. And as a result the whole "church is busy finding every little secret about the makers of the show, including "alegedly" harrasing their families, hiding drugs in the artists cars and calling the police, etc. (all of which are documented techniques that they employ). See wikipedia...

                      In any case...I think every religion should be scrutinized, and questioned. They all are anyway. But Scientology is so very business oriented, and harder to leave than a gang. Thats why it gets so much scrutiny. my main concern is finding people like ...as you said, Jason Lee or Beck, and just having my jaw drop...I almost don't want to know any more...BUT they themselves ALWAYS mention that they are, without being asked!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by deepflux
                        Goo,d point. Well, Scientologists are notoriously litigious, and sue, and appeal, forever. So, most people just don't want to deal.
                        According to Wikipedia:

                        Unlike many other well-established religious organizations, the Church maintains strict control over its names, symbols, religious works and other writings. The word Scientology (and many related terms, including L. Ron Hubbard) is a registered trademark. The Church takes a hard line on people and groups who attempt to use it in organizations unaffiliated with the official Church.
                        So that would also make it much harder to produce any sort of work which featured their name and images... no doubt, as you say, the litigation would come thick and fast. Whether they can claim "religious persecution" in countries where they aren't legally recognised as a religion (such as Germany) is one thing, but it would be hard to get around the copyright aspect. Bless 'em, they sound like a barrel of laughs. It just becomes that much harder to believe that their beliefs and methods would stand up to scrutiny, when they spend so much time and energy on obfuscation.

                        As I've said before, a friend of mine joined a local group for a while, and seemed to learn a few useful things there, but couldn't afford to keep it up. As far as I'm concerned true "enlightenment" (or inner peace or whatever you want to call it) shouldn't come with an invoice attached. :(
                        "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DeeCrowSeer
                          Originally posted by lemec
                          besides if we stop watching/reading things because of Scientology, (not to suggest we are) is not that the same thing as the communist witch hunts
                          No, it's not the same. I'm not a United States senator, and I have no power to have people "black listed", ruin careers and driven from the country or executed as spies. I don't believe it's an insidious plot to undermine my (or my family's, or my nation's) values. I just think it's a con trick. If people want to buy into it, then yes that is their business, but I don't see why anyone should "respect" that lapse in judgement any more than I "respect" a female friend's decision to take unlicenced taxi cabs when travelling abroad. :(
                          oh, I understand now. :D



                          All organized religions are a con trick though,right? ;)

                          They are ways to push thier ideals onto others. Some are there only to generate money. They trick people into thinking if you don't do certain things, bad things will happen and if you do certain rituals, then you will have good luck or peace or whatever idea they are selling. ;) I know alot of folk that only are into their religion because they think they will win big jackpots at the casino. :lol:


                          That Kabbalah craze is making sombody alot of money. They trick all the people into buying red strings for their wrist,books and other merchandice. :)

                          "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
                          - Michael Moorcock

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                          • #14
                            Are there any Scientologists who aren't celebrities? It's almost akin to selling your soul to the devil for a shot at the brass ring. I look at Cruise and Travolta and, maybe it's just me, but they seem unearthly somehow...a little too good to be true.
                            ..he weeps with the wonder of suddenly recollected innocence, of something he believed lost as everything else is lost to him and which makes him believe, if only for this moment, that what he has lost might be, perhaps, restored.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KanderGrimm
                              Are there any Scientologists who aren't celebrities? It's almost akin to selling your soul to the devil for a shot at the brass ring. I look at Cruise and Travolta and, maybe it's just me, but they seem unearthly somehow...a little too good to be true.

                              ever see that old Kolchak episode where that one senator had a deal with the devil to get into higher politics and he could turn into a dog and so forth, I suspect that those actors are getting the same deal. :lol:

                              there are alot of two faced people out there, who really knows what any of the actors are really like, after all, they could all just be acting.

                              they might have multiple personalities in the Multiverse,hehe. :D

                              "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
                              - Michael Moorcock

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