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Missing Elric piece: Melniboné, India, Assyria and Babylon?

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  • Oren
    Guardian of the Grail
    • Dec 2003
    • 488

    Missing Elric piece: Melniboné, India, Assyria and Babylon?

    I was reading yesterday Robert E. Howard's "The Hyborian Age", where he sets the background for his Conan stories. According to this short essay, the Proto-Indo-Europeans (or Aryans as they had been called, before the Nazis tainted that term, which Howard uses) originated from the Cimmerians and the Nords. This reminded me that in the Hebrew edition of The Stealer of Souls there was a preface telling how the Bright Empire of Melnibonأ© ruled the world for ten thousand years, preceding India, Assyria, Babylon, and other ancient kingdoms (some of which were made-up, I believe). The span of her rule, according to that preface, can be calculated however one likes to, but the fact is that time is full of tortures in the past, present and future. The end of this piece concentrated on the last emperor of Melnibonأ©, a red-eyed albino called Elric.

    I've tried to find this composition in the Eternal Champion omnibuses (both UK and US editions), but to no avail. A google search also turned up nothing new.

    Michael, do you remember where this piece came from? Was it in the original publication of The Stealer of Souls, perhaps? And why is this excellent moody preface missing from the omnibuses? I would very much like to see it in future editions.

    I also wonder whether the idea of Melnibonأ© preceding the known historical kingdoms was influenced by Howard's own invented history for the Hyborian age?

    Cheerio,

    Oren
  • Michael Moorcock
    Site Host
    • Dec 2003
    • 14278

    #2
    The prelim to Stealer of Souls. I didn't know it was missing from the new editions! It's probably the first thing I ever wrote, since it prefigured the first story, of the Elric stories!

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    The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
    Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


    Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
    The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
    Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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    • Oren
      Guardian of the Grail
      • Dec 2003
      • 488

      #3
      I've just checked and "Elric" from the Fantasy Masterworks also doens't include the prelim. There, it would have been even more appropriate to have it, as that edition begins with The Stealer of Souls. I hope WWF comes into the picture to save this endangered species!

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      • Oren
        Guardian of the Grail
        • Dec 2003
        • 488

        #4
        Mike, is there a way to make sure the prelim to The Stealer of Souls does appear in the upcoming Del Rey editions? It'll be nice to see it there, being out of print for decades now.

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        • Morgan Kane
          Lost in the multiverse
          • Jun 2006
          • 1428

          #5
          In fact, if Menilbone predates Historical empires, it is in a symbolic sense.

          If i understood :

          first: at the end of Elric Saga, the world is destroyed and remade ..... the geography is entierly new .....

          second : If time is not constant, Menilbone and our world seems to coexist in the multiverse ...... beetwen two conjonctions of 1 000 000 of sphères ?

          may be, this comes from an evolution of the thought of the author as the Eternal Champion took his flight ?

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          • Michael Moorcock
            Site Host
            • Dec 2003
            • 14278

            #6
            Masterworks, while they've put good stuff back into print, didn't consult me about that Elric volume, one of the many points of contention I have with Orion/Victor Gollancz. Smacks of cynicism to me. The Del Rey edition will give me a chance to include the missing prelim (even if not in that place -- haven't decided yet). I'm sure that preamble was influenced by Howard, or certainly in the tradition of which he was a part.
            Last edited by Michael Moorcock; 07-18-2006, 07:59 AM.

            Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in Europe:
            The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
            Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


            Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
            The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
            Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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            • lemec
              Eternal Champion
              • Jul 2005
              • 5317

              #7
              The prelim sounds like a nice treat!


              I did not see this thread before, that would be great to read.

              here I was, thinking I read all of the material about Elric that was published so far,hehe. I am looking forward to adding that and the new printings to my collection.

              "With a deep, not-unhappy sigh, Elric prepared to do battle with an army." (Red Pearls)
              - Michael Moorcock

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              • David Mosley
                Eternal Administrator
                • Jul 2004
                • 11823

                #8
                The prelim - or 'Introduction' - appears to have slipped between the cracks when 'The Stealer of Souls' collection was re-ordered as 'The Weird of the White Wolf' and 'The Bane of the Black Sword' in the mid-70s, although in the UK it was still in print up to 1981.
                _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                • Marca
                  Eternal Champion
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 2014

                  #9
                  I'd forgotten about the absence of this little piece in later editions of the Elric books, but would have assumed that it had been dropped as redundant once the series evolved. It would make a nice appendix in revised editions for aficionados, though. It was present in the original Science Fantasy magazine appearance, UK hardback and the US (Lancer) and UK (Mayflower) paperback editions. Just out of curiosity Mike, was the prelim requested by John Carnell to introduce the first story to readers, or was it a part of the original composition?
                  'You know, I can't keep up with you. If I hadn't met you in person, I quite honestly would NOT believe you really existed. I just COULDN'T. You do so MUCH... if half of what goes into your zines is to be believed, you've read more at the age of 17 than I have at the age of 32 - LOTS more'

                  Archie Mercer to Mike (Burroughsania letters page, 1957)

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                  • Oren
                    Guardian of the Grail
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 488

                    #10
                    Personally, I don't think it's redundant as it sets a very special mood. I hope it ends up in the beginning of the new series rather than in an appendix. It's quite similar to the "Induction" prelim that can be found in books like The Worm Ouroboros or the Lankhmar series ("Sundered from us by gulfs of time and stranger dimensions dreams the ancient world of Nehwon with its towers and skulls and jewels, its swords and sorceries").
                    Last edited by Oren; 07-18-2006, 02:40 PM.

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                    • Michael Moorcock
                      Site Host
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 14278

                      #11
                      No, it was my idea, i'm sure. Very much in the tradition, as you say.
                      Any suggestions regarding the new editions will be much appreciated. I want these to be definitive. My guess is that this will be the last set of revisions I will make and I would like them to be the best editions ever!
                      It's quite possible that at some stage hardbacks will be done of the Del Rey edition, either in the US or UK.

                      Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in Europe:
                      The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
                      Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                      Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                      The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                      Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                      • opaloka
                        digital serf 41221z/74
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 3746

                        #12
                        I don't have any of the books in front of me but if you put them in the order of the story arc you might be able to do a tetralogy. Each volume could have a foreward from a different writer placing the stories in a different context - historical, literary, etc.

                        jb

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                        • Oren
                          Guardian of the Grail
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 488

                          #13
                          I would like to see The Dream of Earl Aubec reinstated into the Elric stories, where it really belongs. After all, it introduces Myshella and tells us how the Young Kingdoms were formed. Similar thing with To Rescue Tanelorn with regards to Rackhir.

                          It'll also be nice to see Jesting with Chaos, Elric at the End of Time and The White Wolf's Song as part of the new edition. Maybe even Sir Milk and Blood and The Ghost Warriors?

                          The Secret Life of Elric of Melniboné can also fit in. I think that essay is not readily available anymore. I have it as part of Sojan from Savoy.

                          By the way, are the Elric novels from the 90s going to be part of this edition?
                          Last edited by Oren; 07-21-2006, 11:25 AM.

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                          • Michael Moorcock
                            Site Host
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 14278

                            #14
                            Everything except the Warner trilogy will appear in the new editions, including quite a bit of non-fiction written by me about Elric, plus illustrations, including some from Cawthorn's Stormbringer and so on. These are intended as the defininitive editions.

                            Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in Europe:
                            The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
                            Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                            Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                            The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                            Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                            • Oren
                              Guardian of the Grail
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 488

                              #15
                              Thanks for the answer! I'm looking forward to proudly placing these new editions on my shelf!

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