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  • European Elections

    Hi Mike,

    I don't know if you're aware of the up and coming Euro/Local elections that are taking place this month in Blighty, or if you care, I am partly undecided myself on that matter.

    Unlike other years there seems an abundance of political parties that have arisen from no where and others that should just go away like the BNP and possibly the UK Independence party, especially now that Kilroy Silk has become thier new glamorous icon. Trisha would have been more amusing..?

    Anyway as I don't like not voting I was considering either voting for the Greens, for all the good it will do, or just putting a cross through the lot of 'em. What do you say and what’s your stance on Europe, if the Eurovision Song Contest is anything to go then they hate us, or at least TB.

  • #2
    I've been a European since the fifties, when the idea of the Common Market was first launched. Then De Gaulle didn't want Britain in. I was glad when we did eventually join. I don't want Europe to turn into another USA, in that I think individual states should retain their sovereignty (which is what I think should happen in the US, too). I don't want Brussels, in other words, to be able to tax us. I'm happy with the idea of a levy system, with Brussels asking states to chip in on the basis of what they are gauged as being able to afford. I see nothing wrong with voting Green, if that's what your conscious tells you to do, but I'd say if you wanted to vote strategically you should at this stage vote for the party most likely to be pro-European. That could easily be the Green Party, too. I have been following the elections and I continue to think Silk is a wanker. Having been on one of his shows, I've had the pleasure of indicating this to him (after the show) to his face. I don't actually believe that anything Silk is involved in can have an awful lot of credence.
    I am very much against Britain leaving the EU but I'd prefer Blair to get on with the vote at home so that we all know where we stand. Instead he has been trying to work out how he can spin Europe to a reluctant electorate, assuming the electorate IS reluctant, since mostly we hear the voices of extremists. I suspect most Brits are happy to be in the Union and would probably be happy to have euros in their pockets as readily as pounds. The Little England attitude of the fringe communities (I don't know why I think of them as actually all living around the seaside!) is miserable, irritating and reflects the racism which seems to prevail there. I'd be glad if the Daily Mail would stop raising the level of xenophobia, too!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
      I have been following the elections and I continue to think Silk is a wanker. Having been on one of his shows, I've had the pleasure of indicating this to him (after the show) to his face. I don't actually believe that anything Silk is involved in can have an awful lot of credence.
      I saw him on Question Time, and he seemed to be under the illusion that it was his show. He was by far the rudest guest I've ever seen on that show, and he really does need to be sent to stand in the corner to think about what he's done. The UKIP have also hired Joan Collins as a spokeswoman for their party... the only problem being that when a journalist asked what the party's policies were at a press conference she just pointed to a man next to her and said, "ask him". Not only a proud moment for her party, but for women everywhere.

      Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
      I suspect most Brits are happy to be in the Union and would probably be happy to have euros in their pockets as readily as pounds. The Little England attitude of the fringe communities (I don't know why I think of them as actually all living around the seaside!) is miserable, irritating and reflects the racism which seems to prevail there. I'd be glad if the Daily Mail would stop raising the level of xenophobia, too!
      Living by the seaside I can confirm there certainly are a lot of Little Englanders taking in the salt air. Personally I'd be happy to convert to Euros, but I'm not much of an expert on interest rates and such, and base my opinion entirely on the fact that it would make travelling easier. I'm not much of a political animal, but I would certainly be glad to see the back of lazy xenophobia and the Daily Mail. The pro-Europe parties would be either the Lib-Dems or the Green party, so I'll have to sniff out their mainfestos.

      D...
      "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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      • #4
        I'll definitely be voting Green this time, as they were the only mainstream party to oppose Software Patents in the EU (the UKIP did as well but they oppose everything so don't really count).

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        • #5
          Just as a point of 'interest', you can purchase for yourself a very fetching "save the آ£" bath robe or a t-shirt adorned rather profoundly with a shady Brussels character pissing on the آ£ from their website! I'd be sooo proud to have these as emblems of my party of choice! Then again they might have retro-harebrain value in ten years...

          SAVE THE POUND SAVE THE POUND!!! YAY! Oh crap I don't have any :-( maybe they'll give me some for a kidney (variable interest loan of course!)

          Did anybody see the surreal comedy Jam's send-up of Kilroy?! Highly amusing and very scary... He goes crackpot terrorising a shopping centre in the nude, before winding up asleep in a supermarket freezer.. hehe ;)

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          • #6
            [quote="Blue Jaunte"]or a t-shirt adorned rather profoundly with a shady Brussels character pissing on the آ£ from their website! [quote]

            To clarify, I did not mean such a character was actively pissing from their website, this would offer unintentional conceptual, as well as technical, difficulties, and I do not wish to imply that the UKIP party members were actual computer sprites... Though it might explain why Kilroy's speech appears to suffer from time lag, and that there often doesn't seem to be much natural sentience going on behind his eyes...

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            • #7
              I should preface my post with the comment that I'm a member of the Labour Party, (albeit a lowly one). I think we should be in the Euro & wholeheartedly at the centre of the EU. The one thing Margaret Thatcher did for us was alienate us at the heart of Europe, leaving us without allies.
              Arioch, aid me! Blood and souls for Arioch!

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              • #8
                Living in Sweden, I have two problems (even not counting the climate).

                First of all I don't know what to think of the EU. Even if I knew what to think I wouldn't know how to vote. Everything is reversed here! The Green Party is theparty most hostile to the EU project, but when they go to Brussels they will have to collaborate with the Green federalists from Germany et al.

                This is like living in upside-down-land. Hot snow falls upwards. What to do, what to do?
                You can't spell "politically correct" without "correct".

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                • #9
                  I look forward to the day when we Europeans can vote for any candidate or party including those in other European countries, not only our own boring bunch. That would be ideal to be able to support an interesting poltician or fraction and show them that they're accepted also across the still existing national borders.
                  In any case I will vote on Sunday.
                  Google ergo sum

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                  • #10
                    Dream on, stranger. Though I agree with you. I'd like to be voting for different representatives in other States, but I can't see that happening here. What would the average voting paper look like ? A vast print out ?

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                    The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
                    Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                    Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                    The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                    Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
                      What would the average voting paper look like ? A vast print out ?
                      Oh, surely smaller in voulme than an average Pyat book ...
                      L'E
                      Google ergo sum

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                      • #12
                        We have the added frisson here of the Scottish Socialist Party actually beginning to pick up serious numbers of votes, and having a few Members of Scottish Parliament. But the Euro constituencies are too big to offer them much hope of success, quite apart from the fact that they don't seem to take themselves seriously as a political force.

                        So, as a former Labour Party member, I'll be sticking with them for better or more likely worse this time round. :roll:
                        \"Killing me won\'t bring back your apples!\"

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                        • #13
                          Well, even Mein Kampf is probably shorter than the Pyat saga, Etranger!
                          Funny how our strategies and loyalties make odd bedfellows, zakt!

                          Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in Europe:
                          The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
                          Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                          Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                          The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                          Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                          • #14
                            Yup, and the more you compromise your ideals to ensure you vote for someone likely to achieve power, the more you wonder whether the whole process is worth it. :? But that way lies cynicism, withdrawal, victory for the Daily Mail. 8O 8O
                            \"Killing me won\'t bring back your apples!\"

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                            • #15
                              My dear mother, bless her cotton socks, is fond of telling me that her father always told her to vote for the party which "could do the least damage". Following this advice, she would always vote for the Liberal party because she never believed they would win the election, and therefore could never be in a position to do any "damage". I've no idea how she votes these days. My father still seems to believe that the Labour party are "Socialists", and will probably always vote Conservative... the party for bigoted old men who like to sit in chairs smoking pipes and fail to bond with their families!

                              I'm tending towards the Lib Dems or the Greens at the moment, but I doubt my thinking is any deeper than my parents'. :( Still, at least by voting for someone other than the BNP or UKIP I am decreasing their chances of success, so I suppose my contribution counts in that sense?

                              D...
                              "That which does not kill us, makes us stranger." - Trevor Goodchild

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