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Frostmourn and Blackrazor as well as Artimus's Dagger.

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  • Frostmourn and Blackrazor as well as Artimus's Dagger.

    What is up with folks trying to rip off your ideas Mr Moorcock? We got Frostmourn from World of Warcraft (Frostmourn hungers?!?!?)

    We got Blackrazor of the D&D Module White Plume Mountain.

    And the dagger that Artimus Entreri used in the forgotten realms.

    I still concider Stormbringer a god level artifactual sword anything else is just weak imitation.

    FYI Mr Moorcook I named my Star Trek online escort ship USS Stormbringer.

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    Frostmourne

    Frostmourne appears very similar to the cold sword in Silver Warriors

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    • #3
      In Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn, Black Razor makes an appearance. There's also a 9th level mage spell called Black Blade of Disaster.
      "Without some confirmation of the order of things, my only comfort is to accept the anarchy. This way, I can revel in chaos and know, without fear, that we are all doomed from the start, that our brief existence is both meaningless and damned. I can accept then, that we are more than forsaken, because there was never anything there to forsake us." - Elric of Melnibone

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      • #4
        Something you have to accept if your work does something fresh in a genre. It's irritating -- especially when you're broke and the others have become rich on yours and others imaginations -- but there it is. Straight rips are actionable, but modified rips are not.
        m

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        • #5
          Not surprising that this has come up before. I though this post by Kyrinn was particularly interesting

          Originally posted by Kyrinn S. Eis View Post
          Link to an interview with Lawrence Schick, the AD&D writer who's Blackrazor life-stealing sword has cause such a hullabaloo in times past.

          Likely only the first bit will interest many here.

          "
          I’m a little embarrassed to this day by Blackrazor, inasmuch as it’s such a blatant rip-off of Elric’s Stormbringer; I would not have put it into the scenario if I ever thought it might be published."

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          • #6
            It's unfortunate for the author (sorry Mr. Moorcock ), but at the same time from the point of view of a fan, more specifically myself, it's really awesome. Running around the forgotten realms with Stormbringer, despite it being under a different name, is intensely satisfying and is definitely one of the main factors contributing to why I still play it to this day. Honestly whenever editors are available I put in Elric saga artifacts.. to me it can make a mediocre game great.

            @Lileoj lol, I named my Hurricane in Eve online Mournblade, my character Imyyr.. an unintentional typo
            "Without some confirmation of the order of things, my only comfort is to accept the anarchy. This way, I can revel in chaos and know, without fear, that we are all doomed from the start, that our brief existence is both meaningless and damned. I can accept then, that we are more than forsaken, because there was never anything there to forsake us." - Elric of Melnibone

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dagalur View Post
              ... and is definitely one of the main factors contributing to why I still play it to this day...
              And there's the money shot, or not, as it were.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rothgo View Post
                Originally posted by Dagalur View Post
                ... and is definitely one of the main factors contributing to why I still play it to this day...
                And there's the money shot, or not, as it were.
                Mr. Moocrock might be pissed when he sees that, lol. It's all out of love for the lore though!
                "Without some confirmation of the order of things, my only comfort is to accept the anarchy. This way, I can revel in chaos and know, without fear, that we are all doomed from the start, that our brief existence is both meaningless and damned. I can accept then, that we are more than forsaken, because there was never anything there to forsake us." - Elric of Melnibone

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dagalur View Post
                  Mr. Moocrock might be pissed when he sees that, lol. It's all out of love for the lore though!
                  I don't want to put words into Mike's mouth, but I think you'll find that he's previously stated he doesn't have any real issues with what fans do; rather it's the companies who are making money out of a) ripping him off and b) exploiting the fans that gets his goat.

                  To give just one example of the sort of thing Mike's said in the past (this over the use of Chaosium products):
                  Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
                  I've never refused enthusiasts permission or told people not to play a game or watch a movie or read a book just because the company producing them might have screwed me.
                  And here's another:
                  Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
                  As long as my stuff isn't being actively plagiarised, I've never had problems with non-commercial uses of any of my characters or backgrounds. However, sometimes (as with D&D) those fan projects turn into professional projects and enthusiasm seems to turn to exploitation.
                  Generally, I tend to make agreements, these days, so that the material can't be passed off (as with Chaosium's unauthorised story lines).
                  _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                  _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                  _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                  _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                  • #10
                    That's good to know, I felt kind of bad for a minute there.
                    Last edited by Governor of Rowe Island; 06-03-2010, 01:08 PM. Reason: Removed unnecessary quote
                    "Without some confirmation of the order of things, my only comfort is to accept the anarchy. This way, I can revel in chaos and know, without fear, that we are all doomed from the start, that our brief existence is both meaningless and damned. I can accept then, that we are more than forsaken, because there was never anything there to forsake us." - Elric of Melnibone

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
                      Something you have to accept if your work does something fresh in a genre. It's irritating -- especially when you're broke and the others have become rich on yours and others imaginations -- but there it is. Straight rips are actionable, but modified rips are not.
                      m
                      I always wondered what Mr. Moorcock thought of the Blackrazor from D&D.

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                      • #12
                        Hey,another fine immit..eh...similar sword is Dragnipur from "Malazan book of the fallen",the blade of Anomader Rake who is something like a combo of Elric and Sepiriz.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Michael Moorcock View Post
                          Something you have to accept if your work does something fresh in a genre. It's irritating -- especially when you're broke and the others have become rich on yours and others imaginations -- but there it is. Straight rips are actionable, but modified rips are not.
                          m
                          It's really sad how many people I know who read Sci-Fi and fantasy and don't know about Michael Moorcock and his ground-breaking work. So I have made it a point to remind the world around me about that which has nearly been forgotten.

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                          • #14
                            My world's changed considerably. When I started out Mervyn Peake, J.G.Ballard and many others were considered 'marginal' writers, with very few readers. For many of those years I had a huge readership and am still doing okay in a couple of dozen countries so I'm not complainng that books I wrote in the manner of the day are still in print. What does upset me is how few of my ambitious novels are in print in the US. Even there, I'm not exactly living in total obscurity. The Vengeance of Rome had marvellous reviews in all the UK 'heavies' and I've been very generously treated. In popular fiction, especially, one goes in and out of fashion so often it's been a bit like riding a rollercoaster.

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                            Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                            Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                            The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                            Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                            • #15
                              Well,to me it seems strange that people tend to regard Mike as "ah,the guy that wrote Elric".I mean ok,the Elric books are my favorites but Mike has writen so many books,so many good books that it's unfair to treat him like they do with writers that wrote a 10logy for example and nothing more.
                              Bsides,it's not only the quantity and the quality but also the variety.It's not only sword and sorcery but several different genres.I think Mike is what Howard could have been if he didn't pull the trigger.

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