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    Q: Is there an official order in which I should read Mike's novels?
    A: There isn't an 'official' order as such, but there are a couple of 'suggested' reading orders you might wish to consider. In the early 1990s, Mike and John Davey sat down to compile a 'Recommended' order for the Eternal Champion novels to be published in omnibus editions by Orion in the UK and White Wolf in the US. Mike took this opportunity to revise a number of the books for this project, either tidying up loose ends and bringing books into the central narrative, or in more extreme cases practically re-writing entire novels. However, there are some differences between the two sets that need to be borne in mind. The UK order is effectively the intended order, but some books weren't available to be included in the UK series and Orion decided not to print other omnibuses they'd agreed to, so the US series has some extra books. In addition, some changes to the order of the omnibuses were made to make them more 'user-friendly' to American readers.

    Q. Okay, so what’s the best order to read Mike's novels in?
    A. The best order is to just pick up whatever’s at hand and take it from there. However, what follows is an attempt to consolidate the two 'recommended' orders mentioned previously in such a way as to make sense of the differences. (Although where there are differences in reading order, the UK series takes precedence over the US one.) This order also draws in titles that weren’t included in either of the recommended orders as well as books/series that weren’t then published.

    Notes:
    * - Indicates a book in the US series not in the UK series.
    ¹ - Indicates books/stories not in either series, but nonetheless important within Mike's mythos. I’ve placed these where I think most suitable.
    ss - Indicates a title is either a short story or novella.
    ° – Indicates a work not by Moorcock.
    • - Indicates a work written or published after 1995.

    Von Bek
    ...The War Hound and the World's Pain
    ...The City in the Autumn Stars
    ...The Pleasure Garden of Felipe Sagittarius (ss) (see also The Metatemporal Detective)

    The Eternal Champion
    ...The Eternal Champion
    ...The Sundered Worlds* (aka The Blood-Red Game)
    ...Phoenix in Obsidian (aka The Silver Warriors)
    ...The Swords of Heaven, the Flowers of Hell¹ (graphic novel with Howard Chaykin) (Note: not included in any omnibuses)
    ...The Dragon in the Sword

    Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles (Note: could be read first instead of The War Hound and the World's Pain or The Eternal Champion or The Sundered Worlds. Alternatively, can be read as a precursor to the 'Second Ether' sequence.)

    Hawkmoon (aka The History of the Runestaff)
    ...The Jewel in the Skull
    ...The Mad God's Amulet (aka Sorcerer’s Amulet)
    ...The Sword of the Dawn
    ...The Runestaff (aka The Secret of the Runestaff)

    Corum (aka The Swords Trilogy/The Swords of Corum/Corum: The Coming of Chaos)
    ...The Knight of the Swords
    ...The Queen of the Swords
    ...The King of the Swords

    Sailing to Utopia
    ...The Ice Schooner
    ...The Black Corridor
    ...
    The Distant Suns
    ...Flux (ss)

    A Nomad of the Time Streams (aka The Nomad of Time)
    ...The War Lord of the Air (first uncensored version since 1971 US edition)
    ...The Land Leviathan
    ...
    The Steel Tsar (extensively rewritten from 1981 edition)

    Warrior of Mars* (aka Kane of Old Mars)
    ...City of the Beast* (aka Warriors of Mars)
    ...Lord of the Spiders* (aka Blades of Mars)
    ...Masters of the Pit* (aka Barbarians of Mars)

    'The End of Time (Part 1)'
    ...An Alien Heat (in The Dancers at the End of Time omnibus)
    ...The Hollow Lands
    (in The Dancers at the End of Time omnibus)
    ...Pale Roses (ss) (in Legends from the End of Time omnibus)
    ...White Stars (ss) (in Legends from the End of Time omnibus)

    Elric: Making of a Sorcerer (graphic novel with Walter Simonson)

    'Rackhir'

    ...The Roaming Forest(ss) (Note: included in Elric: To Rescue Tanelorn collection)

    Elric of Melniboné (aka Elric: Song of the Black Sword)
    ...Elric of Melniboné
    ...The Fortress of the Pearl
    ...Elric: The Return to Melniboné¹ (graphic story with Philippe Druillet) (Note: not included in any omnibuses)
    ...The Sailor on the Seas of Fate
    ..........Sailing to the Future (ss) (aka Voyage on a Dark Ship)
    ..........Sailing to the Present (ss)
    ..........Sailing to the Past (ss) (aka The Jade Man's Eyes) (Revised)
    ...The Dreaming City (ss)
    ...A Portrait in Ivory (ss) (Note: included in Elric: In the Dream Realms collection)
    ...While the Gods Laugh (ss)
    ...Black Petals (ss) (Note: not included in any collections - available online)
    ...The Singing Citadel (ss)

    The Cornelius Quartet¹ (aka The Cornelius Chronicles) (Note: the following books may be read in any order)
    ...The Final Programme¹
    ...A Cure for Cancer¹
    ...The English Assassin¹
    ...The Condition of Muzak¹

    The Roads Between the Worlds* (New framing passages tie the following novels into the EC theme)
    ...The Wrecks of Time* (aka The Rituals of Infinity)
    ...The Winds of Limbo* (aka The Fireclown)
    ...The Shores of Death* (aka The Twilight Man) (revised)

    The New Nature of the Catastrophe (All short stories - a '°' indicates not by Moorcock)
    ...The Peking Junction
    ...The Dehli Division
    ...The Tank Trapeze
    ...The Ash Circus°
    ...The Firmament Theorem°
    ...The Adventures of Jerry Cornelius (comic strip) (Note: not in mass market paperback edition)
    ...The Last Hurrah of the Golden Horde°
    ...The Dodgem Decision (aka The Dodgem Division)
    ...The Nash Circuit°
    ...Lines of White on a Sullen Sea°
    ...The Anxiety in the Eyes of the Cricket°
    ...The End of the Cycle°
    ...The Nature of the Catastrophe
    ...The Sunset Perspective
    ...Sea Wolves
    ...Voortrekker
    ...The Flesh Circle°
    ...A Prayer to Men°
    ...Dead Singers
    ...The Swastika Set-Up
    ...The Longford Cup
    ...The Entropy Circuit
    ...Interlude: Miss Brunner and Jerry°
    ...The Repossession of Jerry Cornelius° (non-fiction)
    ...Niki Hoeky°
    ...Everything Blowing Up°
    ...The Entropy Tango (fragment)
    ...The Murderer's Song
    ...The Gangrene Collection
    ...The Roumanian Question
    ...Bruised Time°
    ...Jerry and Miss Brunner at the Beginning°
    ...All the Way Around Again (Note: not in hardcover & trade paperback editions)
    ...Jerry Cornelius: A Reader's Guide° (non-fiction)

    The Prince With The Silver Hand (aka The Chronicles of Corum)
    ...The Bull and the Spear
    ...The Oak and the Ram
    ...The Sword and the Stallion


    'The S.M.A.S.H.* Novels' - Jerry Cornell/Nick Allard
    ...The LSD Dossier¹ (as by 'Roger Harris' - Nick Allard novel only – available online)
    ...The Chinese Agent¹ (aka Somewhere In The Night - as by 'Bill Barclay')
    ...The Russian Intelligence¹ (aka Printer’s Devil - as by 'Bill Barclay')
    *Sick Man's Antidote to Spy Heroics

    'The End of Time (Part Two)'

    ...Ancient Shadows (ss) (in Legends from the End of Time omnibus)
    ...The End of All Songs (in The Dancers at the End of Time omnibus)
    ...Constant Fire (aka The Transformation of Miss Mavis Ming/A Messiah at the End of Time) (in Legends from the End of Time omnibus)
    ...Elric at the End of Time (ss) (in Legends from the End of Time omnibus)

    'London Novels'
    ...Gloriana, or The Unfulfill'd Queen¹ (Original 1978 - Revised 1993)
    ...Mother London
    ...King of the City
    ...London Bone (collection)

    Stormbringer (aka Elric: The Stealer of Souls)
    ...The Sleeping Sorceress (aka The Vanishing Tower)
    ...The Revenge of the Rose
    ...The Stealer of Souls (ss)
    ...Kings in Darkness (ss)
    ...The Caravan of Forgotten Dreams (ss) (aka The Flame Bringers)
    ...Stormbringer
    ..........Dead God's Homecoming (ss)
    ..........Black Sword's Brothers (ss)
    ..........Sad Giant's Shield (ss)
    ..........Doomed Lord's Passing (ss)

    A Cornelius Calendar¹
    ...The Adventures of Una Persson and Catherine Cornelius in the Twentieth Century¹
    ...The Entropy Tango¹
    ...Gold Diggers of 1977¹ (aka The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle)
    ...The Alchemist’s Question¹ (ss)

    'Sojan'
    ...Sojan the Swordsman¹ (All short stories)
    ..........'"Sojan the Swordsman"
    .............-.Sojan the Swordsman¹ (aka Daughter of a Warrior King)
    .............-.Mission to Asno¹
    .........."Sojan, Swordsman of Zylor"
    .............-.Revolt in Hatnor¹
    .............-.The Hordes Attack¹
    .........."Sojan and the Sea of Demons"
    .............-.The Purple Galley¹
    .............-.The Sea Wolves!¹
    .............-.Sojan at Sea¹
    .............-.The Sea of Demons¹
    .............-.Prisoners in Stone¹
    ..........Sojan and the Plain of Mystery¹ (aka The Plain of Mystery)
    ..........Sojan and the Sons of the Snake-God¹ (aka The Sons of the Snake-God)
    ..........Sojan and the Hunters of Norj¹ (aka The Devil Hunters of Norj)
    ..........Klan the Spoiler¹ (as by J. R. Taylor)
    .........."Dek of Noothar"
    .............-.Dek of Noothar¹ (aka The Sword of Life) (as by John Wisdom)
    .............-.Sword of Life - The Strange Ones¹ (as by John Wisdom) (Note: not included in any collections)
    .............-.The Siege of Noothar¹ (as by John Wisdom)
    ..........Rens Karto of Bersnol¹ (with Dick Ellingsworth)

    'Didactic Novels' - Karl Glogauer/Rickhardt von Bek
    ...Behold the Man¹
    ...Breakfast in the Ruins¹ (available online)
    ...The Brothel in Rosenstrasse

    Earl Aubec (All short stories - except where noted) (See also: The Deep Fix/The Time Dweller/The Singing Citadel/Moorcock’s Book of Martyrs (aka Dying for Tomorrow)/My Experiences in the Third World War/Casablanca)
    ...Earl Aubec (aka Master of Chaos)
    ...Jesting with Chaos (aka The Last Enchantment) (Note: An 'Elric' story set between The Stealer of Souls and Kings in Darkness - see Stormbringer)
    ...The Greater Conqueror
    ...Going Home
    ...Hanging the Fool (aka Wheel of Fortune)
    ...Consuming Passion
    ...Wolf (available online)
    ...Environment Problem
    ...The Opium General
    ...A Dead Singer
    ...The Lovebeast
    ...The Ruins
    ...The Golden Barge (novel)
    ...The Deep Fix
    ...The Real Life Mr Newman
    ...Goodbye, Miranda
    ...Islands
    ..."Some Reminiscences of the Third World War"
    ..........Casablanca
    ..........Going to Canada
    ..........Leaving Pasadena
    ..........Crossing Into Cambodia
    ...Mars
    ...The Frozen Cardinal
    ...Peace on Earth
    ...The Mountain
    ...The Time Dweller
    ...Escape from Evening
    ...Waiting for the End of Time...
    ...The Stone Thing
    ...The Last Call
    ...My Life
    ...The Museum of the Future
    ...To Rescue Tanelorn... (Note: A 'Rackhir' story set during Dead God's Homecoming - see Stormbringer)

    'Second Ether' (see also Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles)
    ...Michael Moorcock's Multiverse (graphic novel with Walter Simonson, Mark Reeve & John Ridgway)
    .........Moonbeams and Roses (graphic story with Walter Simonson)
    .........The Metatemporal Detective (graphic story with Mark Reeve) (see also The Metatemporal Detective)
    .........Duke Elric (graphic story with John Ridgway)
    ...Blood¹
    ...Fabulous Harbours¹(All short stories)
    .........The Retirement of Jack Karaquazian¹
    .........The White Pirate¹
    .........Some Fragments Found in the Effects of Mr. Sam Oakenhurst¹
    .........The Black Blade’s Summoning¹ (aka The White Wolf's Song/The Black Blade's Song)
    .........Lunching with the Antichrist¹
    .........The Affair of the Seven Virgins¹ (see also The Metatemporal Detective)
    .........The Girl Who Killed Sylvia Blade¹ (see also The Metatemporal Detective)
    .........Crimson Eyes¹ (see also The Metatemporal Detective)
    .........No Ordinary Christian¹
    .........The Enigma Windows¹
    .........The Birds of the Moon¹
    ...The War Among the Angels
    ...Sumptuous Dress (ss) (Note: not included in any omnibuses)

    'The [Further] Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius'
    ...The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius (2003 edition)
    .........The Spencer Inheritance (ss) (available online)
    .........The Camus Connection (ss)
    .........Cheering for the Rockets (ss) (available online)
    .........Firing the Cathedral (ss)
    ...The Visible Men (ss) (published in The Best of Michael Moorcock, Tachyon, 2009; available online)
    ...Modem Times 2.0 (ss) (published in Modem Times 2.0, PM Press, 2011)

    'Seaton Begg/Sexton Blake/Sherlock Holmes'
    ...Caribbean Crisis¹ (with James Cawthorn) (as by 'Desmond Reid' - a Sexton Blake novel – available online) (Note: not included in any collection)
    ...The Adventure of the Texan's Honour¹ (ss) (as by 'Dr. John H. Watson' - a Sherlock Holmes story - available online) (aka The Adventure of the Dorset Street Lodger) (Note: included in Tales from the Texas Woods collection)
    ...The Metatemporal Detective (All short stories)
    .........The Affair of the Seven Virgins¹ (see also Fabulous Harbours)
    .........Crimson Eyes¹ (see also Fabulous Harbours)
    .........The Ghost Warriors (available online)
    .........The Girl Who Killed Sylvia Blade¹ (see also Fabulous Harbours)
    .........The Case of the Nazi Canary (see also Michael Moorcock's Multiverse)
    .........Sir Milk-and-Blood
    .........The Mystery of the Texas Twister
    .........London Flesh
    .........The Pleasure Garden of Felipe Sagittarius (See also Von Bek)
    .........The Affair of the Bassin Les Hivers
    .........The Flaneur des Arcades de l’Opera
    ...The Black Blade of the Barbary Coast(graphic story with Jerry Ordway) (Note: not included in any omnibuses)

    'Dream Quest Trilogy'
    ...The Dreamthief's Daughter
    ...The Skrayling Tree
    ...The White Wolf's Son

    Count Brass (aka The Chronicles of Castle Brass)
    ...Count Brass
    ...The Champion of Garathorm
    ...The Quest for Tanelorn


    Other books which do not (yet) easily fit into the above order:
    ...'Colonel Pyat'
    .........Byzantium Endures
    .........The Laughter of Carthage
    .........Jerusalem Commands
    .........The Vengeance of Rome
    ...Silverheart (with Storm Constantine)

    Collections contained within the above order:
    ...Casablanca
    ...Lunching with the Antichrist
    ...Tales from the Texas Woods (except Johnny Lonesome Comes to Town)
    ...The Best of Michael Moorcock (except A Slow Saturday Night at the Surrealist Sporting Club)

    Non-fiction:
    ...Wizardry and Wild Romance
    ...The Retreat From Liberty
    ...Letters from Hollywood
    ...Death is No Obstacle (with Colin Greenland)
    ...Into the Media Web (Selected non-fiction, 1956-2006)
    ...London Peculiar and Other Non-Fiction

    Please feel free to make any comments or suggest any alterations you think appropriate to the above order.

    I can explain part of the order on the basis that Mike is a British author and the Orion (UK) omnibuses came out first. When (if?) I can find the comment from Mike saying that the order of Von Bek and The Eternal Champion omnibuses were reversed because he's best known as a fantasy author in the States then I will quote that as well.

    Because I placed The Cornelius Quartet after Elric of Melniboné (for the reason mentioned), I decided to likewise place A Cornelius Calendar after Stormbringer, but otherwise that choice is entirely arbitrary.

    The 2003 edition of Lives and Times goes where it does for reasons of chronology. I could have put them after New Nature, but I felt that would bunch too many JC stories slap-bang in the 'middle' so to speak. (Jan. 2012: I've re-labelled this section 'The [Further] Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius' as it also includes 'The Visible Men' and 'Modem Times 2.0', which aren't included in any published edition of TLaToJC.)

    I split the Dancers at/Legends from the End of Time omnibuses because if you read the stories you realise that the first three Legends actually take place between The Hollow Lands and The End of All Songs. That does mean splitting the physical omnibuses unfortunately but the correct order should take precedence over the practical order.

    The End of Time/Second Ether story 'Sumptuous Dress' is placed after the SE series to make sense of reader familiarity with the SE characters.

    A suggestion has been made (by Mike and others) that his Doctor Who novel, The Coming of the Terraphiles, perhaps makes for an easier introduction to the Second Ether novels so I have placed it accordingly, ahead of Michael Moorcock's Multiverse.
    Update: Mike agrees that Terraphiles could also make a good 'jumping on' point for new readers to the entire EC saga alongside The War Hound and the World's Pain, The Eternal Champion and The Sundered Worlds, so I've placed it in a (hopefully) appropriate position.


    January 2012 Update
    :
    In Death Is No Obstacle, Colin Greenland and Mike group Behold the Man, Breakfast in the Ruins and The Brothel in Rosenstrasse together as a series of 'didactic' novels:
    Originally posted by Michael Moorcock
    They're all didactic. I started each of those books knowing what I was going to say on a single theme. The impulse to religion in Behold the Man, fear breeding fear in Breakfast in the Ruins, and the destructive power of erotomania in The Brothel in Rosenstrasse.
    Greenland identifies 'Rickhardt von Bek' as "Glogauer grown old and monstrous", so I've taken advantage of this observation to group the three novels together as 'Didactic Novels'.

    Likewise, I've decided to list Gloriana, Mother London, King of the City and the London Bone collection together as 'London Novels'; the inclusion of London Bone (not technically a novel) means the entire contents of Lunching With the Antichrist are now contained within the 'main' reading order.

    Lastly, I've retitled the 'Jerry Cornell/Nick Allard' section as 'The S.M.A.S.H. Novels' simply to give a better thematic title to the books.

    IN CONCLUSION:
    The bottom line we've all agreed on was that it was better just to start reading than worry about the 'correct' order, since there isn't one really. ;)
    Last edited by David Mosley; 01-22-2012, 05:33 AM. Reason: Updated List - January 2012
    _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
    _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
    _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
    _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

  • #2
    Good work, David! (still fighting the urge to call you Demos ).

    I might suggest that along with Count Brass, the second ether might also be an alternate ending to the cycle.

    I agree that MMM goes before Blood, and that MOAS goes before Elric of Melnibone.

    I'm a bit ambivalent about putting Karl Glogauer anywhere. If I had a preference, I might put Behold the Man at the beginning of the list, followed immediately by Breakfast in the Ruins. It seems to me that these are great commentaries on the world from which John Daker was summoned.

    I'm not sure about Cornell and Gloriana, either.

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    • #3
      One thing I just remembered was asking (one of my earliest posts, in fact) if anyone thought' The Black Corridor' belonged somehow with the Hawkmoon stories. It seemed to me, when I last read it, that the way society was breaking down would lead to the society which formed Gran Bretagne (sp?).

      Of course, I don't have 'The Road Between the Worlds' so I don't have to rip that story out and place it elswhere.
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      • #4
        Here's Mike's post about Count Brass:

        Originally posted by Michael Moorcock on 08-16-2005, 03:50 PM
        I was inclined to see the rest of the Hawkmoon cycle [ie the Castle Brass trilogy] as following after (or at least as an alternative to) the events in WWS. That is, Count Brass essentially comes next, following or parallelling events in WWS. Does that make any sense to you ?
        _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
        _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
        _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
        _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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        • #5
          I'm still working out the Eldren/Melnibonean/Vadagh history. :)
          Best/Mario

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          • #6
            Originally posted by David Mosley
            Originally Posted by Michael Moorcock on 08-16-2005, 03:50 PM
            I was inclined to see the rest of the Hawkmoon cycle [ie the Castle Brass trilogy] as following after (or at least as an alternative to) the events in WWS. That is, Count Brass essentially comes next, following or parallelling events in WWS. Does that make any sense to you ?
            After reading Doc's post I was considering suggesting it be referred to as a parallel ending. Or how about simultaneous ending?
            Infinite complexity according to simple rules.

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            • #7
              simultaneous does sound good, there are no doubt parallel Hawkmoon's doing something slightly different in another part of the Multiverse at the same time other cosmic events occur. right? I could be wrong.


              right now another Lemec has produced a better response. ;)

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              - Michael Moorcock

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Reinart der Fuchs
                After reading Doc's post I was considering suggesting it be referred to as a parallel ending. Or how about simultaneous ending?
                Either (or both) of those sounds sensible. Of course, beginnings and endings really have little meaning in the multiverse.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Doc
                  Either (or both) of those sounds sensible. Of course, beginnings and endings really have little meaning in the multiverse.
                  Especially when they happen all at the same time during an infinite instant.
                  Infinite complexity according to simple rules.

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                  • #10
                    Great work! The only thing I'm missing is Elric: The Return to Melniboné (Moorcock/Druillet). Since you incorporated another graphic novel into the list, I think this one also has a place there.

                    By the way, one thing I should note is that the final fate of Corum is spelled out in The Dragon in the Sword, and therefore, personally, I would suggest reading it after the second Corum trilogy. Also, The Revenge of the Rose has a hint as to the ending of Stormbringer, but I guess it's not too obvious.
                    Last edited by Oren; 07-17-2006, 12:39 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oren Douek
                      Great work! The only thing I'm missing is Elric: The Return to Melniboné (Moorcock/Druillet). Since you incorporated another graphic novel into the list, I think this one also has a place there.
                      Not having a copy of E:TRTM myself, where would you suggest it goes in that list? Due to its rareness I'd probably put it in the 'Other books which do not easily fit into the above order' section. In fact, its extraordinary rareness is the main reason I left it out. Most people won't ever come across a copy. Swords of Heaven does turn up fairly frequently on eBay and never really fetches an exorbitant amount, so it's a more obvious choice for inclusion imo.

                      Originally posted by Oren Douek
                      By the way, one thing I should note is that the final fate of Corum is spelled out in The Dragon in the Sword, and therefore, personally, I would suggest reading it after the second Corum trilogy. Also, The Revenge of the Rose has a hint as to the ending of Stormbringer, but I guess it's not too obvious.
                      Good point. I'm trying to keep to the omnibus formats from Orion/White Wolf, which is why TDitS is where it is. On the other hand, I don't see why we shouldn't have an 'The Eternal Champion (Part 1)' section with TEC, TSW (TBRG) and PiO and then a 'The Eternal Champion (Part 2)' section with TSoHtFoH and TDitS after the 'The Prince with the Silver Hand' section.

                      I don't think there's much we can do about the spoiler on TRotR since that's how Mike wrote it without turning the order into a chronological one based on publication date - which is, to be fair, just as valid as any other order that one might come up with.
                      _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                      _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                      _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                      _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by David Mosley
                        Not having a copy of E:TRTM myself, where would you suggest it goes in that list? Due to its rareness I'd probably put it in the 'Other books which do not easily fit into the above order' section. In fact, its extraordinary rareness is the main reason I left it out. Most people won't ever come across a copy. Swords of Heaven does turn up fairly frequently on eBay and never really fetches an exorbitant amount, so it's a more obvious choice for inclusion imo.
                        E:TRTM was reprinted by Jayde Design a few years ago. It's available currently from Amazon UK, and of course directly from John D-, that contemporary manifestation of the Eternal Champion (ok, it's Davey not Daker)! As to where to place it, I'll have to re-read it tomorrow to let you know exactly The original version is indeed extremely rare; I saw it a couple of weeks ago on eBay going for several hundred bucks.

                        Originally posted by David Mosley
                        Good point. I'm trying to keep to the omnibus formats from Orion/White Wolf, which is why TDitS is where it is. On the other hand, I don't see why we shouldn't have an 'The Eternal Champion (Part 1)' section with TEC, TSW (TBRG) and PiO and then a 'The Eternal Champion (Part 2)' section with TSoHtFoH and TDitS after the 'The Prince with the Silver Hand' section.
                        I haven't read TSoHtFoH so I'm not sure whether it should go to part 2 or part 1. As long as TDitS is after TSadS I'll be happy. Damn, those acronyms are giving me a headache

                        Originally posted by David Mosley
                        I don't think there's much we can do about the spoiler on TRotR since that's how Mike wrote it
                        I agree. That spoiler is not too obvious anyhow. I guess I spotted it as I had prior familiarity with Stormbringer (the book, not the sword!).
                        Last edited by Oren; 07-17-2006, 02:03 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oren Douek
                          E:TRTM was reprinted by Jayde Design a few years ago. It's available currently from Amazon UK, and of course directly from John D-, that contemporary manifestation of the Eternal Champion (ok, it's Davey not Daker)! As to where to place it, I'll have to re-read it tomorrow to let you know exactly The original version is indeed extremely rare; I saw it a couple of weeks ago on eBay going for several hundred bucks.
                          Quite right about Jayde Design - in fact I emailed John a few days ago inquiring about RtM since I figured it was about time I tried to get hold of a copy - though I remember John saying in January that he was down to his last few copies (he says 'a handful' in his reply to me), so I don't know what the long-term availability of the book is likely to be.

                          I don't know whether RtM is regarded as a 'major' Elric story or whether it has more the status of 'The Last Enchantment' (aka 'Jesting with Chaos') or even 'Elric at the End of Time'. Of course, both those stories are listed in the 'Reading Order' but then they are text rather than illustrative.

                          Still, it's fun discussing all this, isn't it?

                          Originally posted by Oren Douek
                          I haven't read TSoHtFoH so I'm not sure whether it should go to part 2 or part 1. As long as TDitS is after TSadS I'll be happy. Damn, those acronyms are giving me a headache
                          Swords of Heaven is pretty much a stand-alone story. It comes after PiO since Daker starts off as Ulrik Skarsol before becoming Clen of the Clen Gar for the majority of the story. Of course, a quick glance at the beginning of Dragon suggests that it too follows on directly from PiO, so that complicates matters somewhat. I suppose the point of the EC is that there are myriad alternatives, that in one universe Skarsol becomes Clen while in another he becomes, well, John Daker apparently. Anyway, my reasoning for placing both stories in "TEC (Part 2)" is 'cos it would feel silly to me to just have one book in that section and there's nothing else to go with it - afaik.
                          _"For an eternity Allard was alone in an icy limbo where all the colours were bright and sharp and comfortless.
                          _For another eternity Allard swam through seas without end, all green and cool and deep, where distorted creatures drifted, sometimes attacking him.
                          _And then, at last, he had reached the real world – the world he had created, where he was God and could create or destroy whatever he wished.
                          _He was supremely powerful. He told planets to destroy themselves, and they did. He created suns. Beautiful women flocked to be his. Of all men, he was the mightiest. Of all gods, he was the greatest."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by David Mosley
                            I don't know whether RtM is regarded as a 'major' Elric story or whether it has more the status of 'The Last Enchantment' (aka 'Jesting with Chaos') or even 'Elric at the End of Time'. Of course, both those stories are listed in the 'Reading Order' but then they are text rather than illustrative.
                            This thread addresses the placement of RtM -
                            http://www.multiverse.org/fora/showthread.php?t=2205

                            On the subject of Elric, have I seen a list somewhere on this site of all the stories (including crossovers) he is in? And is there a question in the Book (/Elric?) section of the FAQ asking 'What books/stories is Elric in and what order should I read them in?'

                            If there is a surge in interest in Elric when the movie is out (or MoaS has finished publishing), I think this would be a popular query. There are quite a few in the Elric Q&A archive. The above quoted stories' status would have to be explained as well. Why they are considered to be non-canonical.

                            This thread -
                            http://www.multiverse.org/fora/showthread.php?t=1797
                            has some answers from Mike (and yourself ) on the subject, as does this one -
                            http://www.multiverse.org/fora/showthread.php?t=2294
                            as well as answers about the most recent trilogy (TDD, TST, WWS),

                            Ant's Elric page seems to be pretty good. Looks good too.

                            A frequent cause of confusion regarding the Elric series is the publishing order. (It was for me.) It would seem people find one book, look for another and become confused as to which one to read, because of the renames and the reading order being at odds with order they were written, though this is addressed somewhat in the list of books, etc.
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                            • #15
                              A contrarian responds

                              Depending on your goal, there's two ways of looking at the the "list":

                              1/ A kind-of "chronological order" of the tales (as if such were possible with MM). This will appeal to hardcore MM fans, but may put off people who haven't yet "got it".

                              2/ An "interest and excitement" list - whereby you start off with an intriguing and stimulating book with the flavor of the whole Multiverse (e.g. Sailor on the Seas of Fate) and end with the (IMHO) incoherent Jerry Cornelius books.

                              I'm a fan, but certainly don't know all MM's works, so please don't ask me to put this list together.

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